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Title: Swarming
Post by: JordanM on March 03, 2008, 08:43:35 PM
If you have enough room inside the boxes and enough boxes will your bees ever swarm or will they just stay there.
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: bassman1977 on March 03, 2008, 10:24:03 PM
It's a natural tendency for bees to swarm.  This could happen one or more times.  Giving space is one of many ways to help prevent swarms, but one way or another, it will most likely happen.  Just try to capture the swarm (if you want) when it does happen.  If you can get the swarm, you have a new hive.
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: sarafina on March 03, 2008, 11:16:25 PM
So, does the queen leave with the swarm and the bees left behind raise a new queen?
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: Michael Bush on March 03, 2008, 11:43:20 PM
>If you have enough room inside the boxes and enough boxes will your bees ever swarm or will they just stay there.

It is the intent of every successful hive to swarm.

http://www.bushfarms.com/beesswarmcontrol.htm
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: Jerrymac on March 04, 2008, 10:21:00 AM
Quote from: sarafina on March 03, 2008, 11:16:25 PM
So, does the queen leave with the swarm and the bees left behind raise a new queen?

Yep
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: Brian D. Bray on March 05, 2008, 01:28:12 AM
With diligence a hive can be kept from swarm 2 years out of 3 by keeping the brood nest open and supering in a timely fashion.  But swarming by any hive just a matter of time.  I seen some do it 6-7 times in the same year.
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: Cindi on March 05, 2008, 10:40:54 AM
 :shock: :? :? :?  What on earth is wrong with those bees?  Eeeks!!!  I have New World Carniolan queens coming from California from Strachan Apiaries the end of April, I think I am in for it!!!  Oh no....and I thought my work was done, hee, hee, have a beautiful and wonderful day, Cindi
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: DayValleyDahlias on March 05, 2008, 07:44:48 PM
How many times a year?  I am  going to have to retire so I can stay home and figure out ways to trap my swarms???  ACK!!!
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: bassman1977 on March 05, 2008, 08:10:36 PM
QuoteI am  going to have to retire so I can stay home and figure out ways to trap my swarms???

This is a bad thing, how?   :-P
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: DayValleyDahlias on March 05, 2008, 08:33:38 PM
LOl Bassman...
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: Michael Bush on March 06, 2008, 09:08:57 AM
>How many times a year?

Reproductive swarming is the problem.  That's only a brief period just before the main flow.  After that all you have to do is pile on supers to keep them from swarming.
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: DayValleyDahlias on March 07, 2008, 02:13:27 AM
Do you think this is what happened:

My one hive did well, I checked the 2 deep brood 2 weeks before the swarm.  Saw a frame of brood, didn't "think" I saw any swarm cells...but I have never seen one anyhoo.

When the bees swarmed, did they leave with a new queen, or the old one? 

When should I check the host hive for queen activity?
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: Michael Bush on March 07, 2008, 08:34:35 AM
>When the bees swarmed, did they leave with a new queen, or the old one?

If it was the primary (first) then the old one.  If you missed that one and it was the second one (afterswarm) then it's a virgin queen.

>When should I check the host hive for queen activity?

There should be a laying queen in about three weeks.  Do the math.  They swarm leaves about the time the cell is capped.  The cell is capped eight days from when the egg is layed.  So subtract that eight days from the 28 days that it takes from egg to laying queen and you have 20 days left.
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: DayValleyDahlias on March 07, 2008, 10:50:27 AM
Oh golly, I suffer from dyscalcula.  Hope I can figure it out.
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: Cindi on March 07, 2008, 11:02:32 AM
Sharon, holy smoking smoke!!!  I looked up the word dyscalcula and I think that I display some of the same things.  I have such issues with some stuff.  Didn't know there was a name for it.  Beautiful and wonderful day, love life.  Cindi

here's a link
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=886629
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: Michael Bush on March 07, 2008, 10:33:23 PM
http://www.bushfarms.com/beesmath.htm
Title: Re: Swarming
Post by: DayValleyDahlias on March 07, 2008, 11:04:17 PM
So, if the swarm occurred March 3rd, and the cell was layed on 2/24 then new queen should hatch..I'll just wait around 3 weeks...