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Title: Bee Noise maker
Post by: newsman on July 05, 2008, 10:00:10 AM
I know this sounds silly, but is there a non electrical noise maker that sounds like a bee? If I used a kazoo that sounds like bees or something like that, would it attract more bees. You know, like a duck hunter uses a duck call....I know silly....but I am curious....

Thanks
Title: Re: Bee Noise maker
Post by: Jerrymac on July 05, 2008, 12:15:52 PM
Got to use pheromones not noise.
Title: Re: Bee Noise maker
Post by: randydrivesabus on July 05, 2008, 01:18:04 PM
can you make pheromones with a kazoo?
Title: Re: Bee Noise maker
Post by: JP on July 05, 2008, 05:05:27 PM
Quote from: newsman on July 05, 2008, 10:00:10 AM
I know this sounds silly, but is there a non electrical noise maker that sounds like a bee? If I used a kazoo that sounds like bees or something like that, would it attract more bees. You know, like a duck hunter uses a duck call....I know silly....but I am curious....

Thanks

Bees don't hear like we do, they pick up on vibrations, they can hear very little airborne noise.


...JP
Title: Re: Bee Noise maker
Post by: Hivehead on July 05, 2008, 09:46:41 PM
They hear lawn mowers pretty darn good.  or maybe it's them exhaust pheromones
Title: Re: Bee Noise maker
Post by: Jerrymac on July 06, 2008, 12:00:40 AM
Just picking up good vibrations...

Opps Beach Boys moment.
Title: Re: Bee Noise maker
Post by: SgtMaj on July 06, 2008, 01:36:41 AM
Quote from: Hivehead on July 05, 2008, 09:46:41 PM
They hear lawn mowers pretty darn good.  or maybe it's them exhaust pheromones

They can feel vibrations through the ground, but according to the beekeeper's test, they can't hear airborne noise.
Title: Re: Bee Noise maker
Post by: Brian D. Bray on July 06, 2008, 06:32:32 PM
Quote from: SgtMaj on July 06, 2008, 01:36:41 AM
Quote from: Hivehead on July 05, 2008, 09:46:41 PM
They hear lawn mowers pretty darn good.  or maybe it's them exhaust pheromones

They can feel vibrations through the ground, but according to the beekeeper's test, they can't hear airborne noise.

Then how do you explain their tendency to cluster from a flying swarm when they hear thunder or it's imiatation, i.e. tinning? 

Sometimes scientists come to incorrect conclusions because of inadequate testing parameters.  I've caught several dozen swarms using tinning and I would have to believe they can "hear" air borne vibrations.  Speak is, after all, airborne vibrations.
Title: Re: Bee Noise maker
Post by: Jerrymac on July 06, 2008, 06:52:36 PM
http://www.bee-info.com/biology-bee/acuesthesia%20.html
Title: Re: Bee Noise maker
Post by: Rodni73 on July 08, 2008, 02:08:20 AM
"http://www.bee-info.com/biology-bee/acuesthesia%20.html"


This does not make any sense?? the writing... Take a look, I think it is translated... :-\

With the eyes the bee in the light of the external world gets along. It lives however most time in the darkness of the stick. There you are useful the eyes hardly somewhat, except that her it sees where the flugloch the way in the light offers. Everything else must create the antennas. By "smelling keys" it will have to differentiate eggs, youngest, older and cover-ripe larvae, pollen, unreifen and matures honey, wax and cement resin, worker -, drone and queen cells, the distances between honeycombs and booty, zugige places, which must to be sealed have, wax moths and other enemies, waste, be out-created and who knows which otherwise still everything. For the whole "interior life" of the stick the antennas are the essential tool.
Title: Re: Bee Noise maker
Post by: SgtMaj on July 08, 2008, 11:14:13 AM
Like I said, according to the beekeeper test at the top of this forum... here's the exact question, with the answer:

Question 16
A honey bee can not_______. Complete with the true statement.

a. perceive airborne sound
b. communicate with each other
c. detect a strange pheremone
d. produce royal jelly
The correct answer is: a
Title: Re: Bee Noise maker
Post by: poka-bee on July 08, 2008, 11:36:11 AM
It probably depends on which type of sound it is.  The air moves & changes w/thunder,vibrations from weedwhackers & mowers.  Thunder I can even feel through my body sometimes just before the sound gets to us.  My deaf dog also "feel hears" the thunder & air movement/changes. Tinning in close proximity also vibrates the air. Not "hearing" in the normal sense doesn't mean they don't feel the minute changes.  I bet if you play soft music it wouldn't bother them but louder w/lots of bass & yelling would agitate.  Heck, it agitates me! Hmm, an experiment is in order!  Jody
Title: Re: Bee Noise maker
Post by: Jerrymac on July 08, 2008, 01:17:47 PM
Bees, like most all creatures, can feel vibrations. Think not? Go knock on the hive. They will come.

What is sound? Vibrations. The vibrations in the air hits a surface or anything it will also vibrate. There is even this little gizmo that shines a laser light at glass and then translate the vibrations it picks up into sound. So the cops know what the bad guy is doing. 
Title: Re: Bee Noise maker
Post by: SgtMaj on July 08, 2008, 01:52:57 PM
Quote from: Jerrymac on July 08, 2008, 01:17:47 PM
What is sound? Vibrations. The vibrations in the air hits a surface or anything it will also vibrate. There is even this little gizmo that shines a laser light at glass and then translate the vibrations it picks up into sound. So the cops know what the bad guy is doing. 

And the bad guy knows the cops are listening because there's a little red dot on the window.  :-D

I think the real issue here is that is how loud it has to be... Hitting the side of the hive puts more vibration through it than several hundred Db of sound.  Also, when airborn, the vibrations in the air may be lost to the receptors on the bees legs due to the flapping of their wings...

But I don't know, I'm just saying that's what's on the test.  If you have an issue with it, take it up with the people who created that test.  For all I know, it could just be a typo.
Title: Re: Bee Noise maker
Post by: JP on July 08, 2008, 09:27:10 PM
I can work a grinder with a stucco blade (like I did today) and the bees don't mind, they put up with lots of different noise but they just absolutely hate banging something against the exterior of the thing they're in.

I continually am told that lawnmowers and weed eaters are prime targets.


...JP