I am posting this in general as I think it is particularly newsworth issue.
http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_7732/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=mLZOQxVu
you would really think studies and experiments conducted by the EPA would be and should be a matter of public record. With the control That the EPA has over so many aspects of peoples lives from the food they eat to the water that they drink would seem to make full disclosure very important.
i think conclusive studies by the EPA should be public record.
you'd think that if a chemical must be tested for environmental impact that the manufacturer of the chemical would not be the one doing the testing.
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/blogs/bees/honey-bee-pesticides-55082002 the test for clothianidin have been published and are at the public library - here is some more info i found interesting-RDY-B http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0808c&L=bee-l&T=0&P=2343
One of the areas of conscern to me is the tests do not test for accumulation of non-lethal doses being taken back to hives, combined w/ pollen and being fed to brood for mutiple generations of brood. If the chems are being stored w/in the wax, accumulate in greater doses and then being re-introduced into brood then this info is faulty. Which is a different question than what info is available, when it became available and is it all of the info available. I am no fan of companies testing their own chemicals. Conflict of interest IMO.
Quote from: rdy-b on August 21, 2008, 02:41:17 PM
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/blogs/bees/honey-bee-pesticides-55082002 the test for clothianidin have been published and are at the public library - here is some more info i found interesting-RDY-B http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0808c&L=bee-l&T=0&P=2343
Does anyone know what he's talking about when he calls the Xerces Society fear mongering? I don't think there's ever been a dilution about this organization. They're promoting native bees and wildlife.
Also I agree that companies shouldn't be testing the chemicals themselves alone. They should at the very least have to recreate the experiments infront of an expert or someone when it comes time to submit their new wonder drug.
Seems like I can remember a time when seeds didn't have any chemical coat at all and guess what they came up when planted imagine that.
Quote from: mtman1849 on August 21, 2008, 06:24:47 PM
Seems like I can remember a time when seeds didn't have any chemical coat at all and guess what they came up when planted imagine that.
I have to admit sometimes i wonder about the pesticide drift from spraying -versus the non spray aplication of systemics -which one is the worse -I dont think pesticide is going away -RDY-B
Quote from: MrILoveTheAnts on August 21, 2008, 06:02:40 PM
Quote from: rdy-b on August 21, 2008, 02:41:17 PM
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/blogs/bees/honey-bee-pesticides-55082002 the test for clothianidin have been published and are at the public library - here is some more info i found interesting-RDY-B http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0808c&L=bee-l&T=0&P=2343
Does anyone know what he's talking about when he calls the Xerces Society fear mongering? I don't think there's ever been a dilution about this organization. They're promoting native bees and wildlife.
Also I agree that companies shouldn't be testing the chemicals themselves alone. They should at the very least have to recreate the experiments infront of an expert or someone when it comes time to submit their new wonder drug.
I think they are mad about this- RDY-B these NRDC guys seem to be cut from the same cloth as the
Xerces Society "Pollinator Week" gang who couldn't even
be bothered to include a honey bee in their silly postage
stamp set last year, then hijacked HR 1709, jammed Senate
Bill 1694 (the "Pollinator Protection Act of 2007") down
everyone's throats, adding all the non-CCD-related funding
for native pollinator research, and thereby caused both the
House and Senate bills to languish and die in committee.
Quote from: randydrivesabus on August 21, 2008, 01:09:06 PM
i think conclusive studies by the EPA should be public record.
you'd think that if a chemical must be tested for environmental impact that the manufacturer of the chemical would not be the one doing the testing.
Folks, You think manufactures testing their own products is just about bug sprays and such ??
Guess who tests the medicine you take ??
A hint, it's not the goverment !
Bee-Bop
Great article. Good work on finding that.
I still get my wire services. I saw this and wanted to find out a bit more. I am curious as to what will happen with the lawsuit.
Sincerely,
Brendhan