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Title: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: tlynn on January 11, 2009, 03:59:13 PM
(Note - ID'ed by entomologist.  His response below.  Very interesting!)

I have this small insect showing up inside and around my hives, actually I haven't seen them inside my strong hive, just inside the nuc hive, which is weak and coming back from near collapse.  I found a few of them today crawling around empty cells in the nuc frames and flying around and landing on the sides of the nuc.  They are very small, maybe just a few millimeters long.  I'd say I saw 6 or 8 of them inside and outside.  The picture resolution is 10 megapixels, so you can magnify quite a bit if it helps.  Any idea what they are???

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Thanks!

Tracy
Title: Re: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: fermentedhiker on January 11, 2009, 05:01:09 PM
not sure what species exactly but looks like a small predatory wasp.  Probably just hunting for small insects within the hive.  I suppose it's possible that they are feasting on brood or eggs but I don't know.  You might check whatsthatbug and see if you see a match.
Title: Re: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: tillie on January 11, 2009, 05:56:26 PM
Well, I'd say an earwig, except the ones in my hive don't have wings :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

Linda T in Atlanta
Title: Re: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: johnnybigfish on January 11, 2009, 06:24:11 PM
Except for the horns, it looks like a queen ant, but I'm sure its not...good pic tho, as I can zoom it really well and look hard at it!

your friend,
john
Title: Re: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: MrILoveTheAnts on January 11, 2009, 08:32:26 PM
How long have your hives been unpainted for?
Title: Re: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: tlynn on January 11, 2009, 10:02:30 PM
Quote from: MrILoveTheAnts on January 11, 2009, 08:32:26 PM
How long have your hives been unpainted for?

I just bought 2 nucs in December, getting the premium grade pine from Brushy Mtn, and they looked so nice when I put them together I decided to varnish them.  4 coats spar.  We'll see how they hold up.
Title: Re: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: MrILoveTheAnts on January 11, 2009, 10:09:32 PM
It looks like a wasp or sawfly. They feed on sweets, and reproduce by laying eggs in the larval for to other bugs (Not Honey Bees). They're usually specialized in what they use as a host.

I asked about the wood because some specialize in wood boring grubs while still in the tree or dead wood.

It could also be a Gall Wasp of some sort.

At any rate I think they're just taking advantage of some pollen laying around.
Title: Re: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: tlynn on January 11, 2009, 10:13:46 PM
Hmm...ok thanks.  I'm also going to email the state bee entomologist and will post his response.
Title: Re: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: Brian D. Bray on January 11, 2009, 11:56:54 PM
I would have to say it is some type of sweat bee or wasp.
Title: Re: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: JP on January 12, 2009, 12:07:04 AM
It looks like a type of ensign wasp to me http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/galveston/beneficials/beneficial-02_ensign_wasp.htm

They often are parasitic on roach egg cases. See many roaches around that hive?


...JP
Title: Re: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: tlynn on January 12, 2009, 08:32:30 AM
Quote from: JP on January 12, 2009, 12:07:04 AM
It looks like a type of ensign wasp to me http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/galveston/beneficials/beneficial-02_ensign_wasp.htm

They often are parasitic on roach egg cases. See many roaches around that hive?


...JP

JP, I think that's it.  It doesn't look like the same species as the picture, but same genus for sure.  Haven't seen any roaches except for the ground roaches that run out when you are watering a plant, not the inside ones.  If they predate roach eggs then I'm all for it.  Just wondering why they are in the hive.
Title: Re: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: tlynn on January 12, 2009, 12:01:34 PM
Here's what it is - looks like I WANT them around!


Tracy,

Thanks for the email. First off, great pictures. Second, it is a wasp. It is a wasp from the parasitic wasp family Brachonidae (spelling may be off). This particular species is a parasite of wax moths. It lays its eggs in the wax moths and its larvae feed and grow inside the living moth caterpillar. Once finished feeding, the larvae comes out of the moth and pupates into an adult. So long story short, this is a good thing to have around. It is a "natural" control for the moth. That said, it can never control wax moths completely, but it does put a dent in their populations.

Good eyes.

Let me know if I can help more in the future.

Jamie

Jamie Ellis, PhD
Assistant Professor of Entomology
Honey Bee Research and Extension Laboratory
Department of Entomology and Nematology
University of Florida
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PO Box 110620
Gainesville, FL 32611-0620
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Title: Re: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: ArmucheeBee on January 12, 2009, 12:39:19 PM
I have had these in my hives too.  This is my first year.  I have tried to get pictures to mail in here but could not do it.  Thanks for asking about this.  These guys are really tiny so great pics.  I did not have wax moths so they must come to the hive smell.  Great job!!!
Title: Re: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: Shawn on January 12, 2009, 01:24:12 PM
I say wasp.
Title: Re: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: Cindi on January 18, 2009, 08:01:04 PM
I thought that this insect at my apiary in the fall of 07 was like a predatory wasp, until some forum friends told me what it really was, an Ichnueman fly.  Here is the thread.  Have a wonderful and awesome day, attract and keep great health.  Cindi

http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,11618.0.html
Title: Re: Can you identify this insect in my hive?
Post by: BjornBee on January 18, 2009, 08:49:51 PM
Og Geeesshhhhh. Someone will be marketing these before we know it... :roll:

Nice pictures.