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Title: Using an extractor with foundation-less frames
Post by: DayValleyDahlias on March 01, 2009, 01:02:20 PM
Most all the frames I use now are either sc wired wax or foundation-less.  I bought a used hank crank extractor.  What is going to happen if I put the frame in??  Big fat mess, or nice honey?

Thanks
Shar
Title: Re: Using an extractor with foundation-less frames
Post by: irerob on March 01, 2009, 02:43:11 PM
   I have heard you can extract foundationless frames but, would love to hear from some one that has actually done it.
Title: Re: Using an extractor with foundation-less frames
Post by: fermentedhiker on March 01, 2009, 03:37:12 PM
Not sure if this answers all your questions, but it's a start.

http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,16673.0.html
Title: Re: Using an extractor with foundation-less frames
Post by: Robo on March 01, 2009, 04:00:27 PM
It can be done, if the comb is connected to the frame on at least 3 sides and you go cautiously.   I know many disagree,  but I find spending the time up front to wire your foundationless frames makes for easier work down the road with less excitement.

Just like 100% of foreclosures happen to houses with mortgages,  100% of my comb blowouts have happened with unwired comb.

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Title: Re: Using an extractor with foundation-less frames
Post by: Understudy on March 01, 2009, 08:00:34 PM
I also recommend that the comb be attached on at least three sides. Spin slowly but in a steady manner. Don't rush.

Sincerely,
Brendhan
Title: Re: Using an extractor with foundation-less frames
Post by: irerob on March 01, 2009, 08:48:37 PM

thank you I feel a little bit safer about it now. :)
Title: Re: Using an extractor with foundation-less frames
Post by: oldenglish on March 01, 2009, 10:52:10 PM
I would think a radial extractor would also be a better bet than a tangentant extractor
Title: Re: Using an extractor with foundation-less frames
Post by: Brian D. Bray on March 02, 2009, 12:05:19 AM
For foundationless frames in an extractor one should follow these guidelines:
1. Ridgid comb, not shoft, at least one month old.
2. Attached to 3 sides of the frames.
3. Radial extractor preferred.
4. Use ramp switch, staft slow and increase speed gradually (good idea anytime).
5. Ramp extractor speed down to off (also a good idea anytime).
6. Use of uncapping knife, of some kind, or uncapping fork is assumed.
Title: Re: Using an extractor with foundation-less frames
Post by: DayValleyDahlias on March 02, 2009, 11:15:02 AM
Mine is an older hand crank...I bought it because it really seemed like a good price. I am hoping to have a decent amount of surplus this year.  It is the kind you have to turn frames, is that tangential?
Title: Re: Using an extractor with foundation-less frames
Post by: justgojumpit on March 02, 2009, 01:06:48 PM
yes, that is a tangential.

justgojumpit
Title: Re: Using an extractor with foundation-less frames
Post by: Michael Bush on March 02, 2009, 05:35:57 PM
>For foundationless frames in an extractor one should follow these guidelines:
1. Ridgid comb, not shoft, at least one month old.
2. Attached to 3 sides of the frames.
3. Radial extractor preferred.
4. Use ramp switch, staft slow and increase speed gradually (good idea anytime).
5. Ramp extractor speed down to off (also a good idea anytime).
6. Use of uncapping knife, of some kind, or uncapping fork is assumed.


And all of that is true of wired wax as well...