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Title: should I off the queen?
Post by: gmcharlie on March 15, 2009, 08:52:20 PM
I love this forum,  been beeking for years,  and just found this site.......  much better than pestering the locals for thoughts....  much wider views......

To my quandry..... I have one hive that started late last summer,  and did very poorly on buildup....  made it thru the winter fine,  but it was my worst hive...  barely filled a good deep........  queen was spotty at best,  but by the time I realized it it was to late to requeen......  now here we are in spring,  and shes still lousy.... just checked all my hives today,  and her hive has about 2  square  inches of brood  (yes shes there I found her easy)   she barely keeping up with die off.......   I am pondering just offing her and giving them some fress brood/egs from a good queen....  it will be a bit more than a month before I can get any replacment queens....(unless someone has them now that I don't know about)........

figuring in my head  I have nothing to lose by offing her,  and a cpl weeks to gain

Title: Re: should I off the queen?
Post by: BjornBee on March 15, 2009, 08:55:45 PM
I would think that it's a bit early for queens flying and mating. Yes, it will be a couple weeks till she would be flying, but I know I have less than ideal weather for good mating even the first week or two in April.
Title: Re: should I off the queen?
Post by: gmcharlie on March 15, 2009, 09:07:08 PM
agreed,  but if I off her this week and give them some new brood from good queen,  it will be 3 weeks before mateing flights......  and my other hives have drone comb already.....  I am trying to see a down side......  if no new queens are formed  I could combine the ones left with another hive....
Title: Re: should I off the queen?
Post by: BjornBee on March 15, 2009, 09:14:50 PM
Maybe it is warmer where you are. I don't know. I may consider grafting in three weeks. But I know it probably will not be consistently above 6-65 at that time. And that is what you need for quality mating.

Three week from now puts you about the 5th of April. Way too early for mating around here.
Title: Re: should I off the queen?
Post by: Kathyp on March 15, 2009, 10:21:38 PM
make sure you save her in some alcohol.  :-)
Title: Re: should I off the queen?
Post by: Irwin on March 16, 2009, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: kathyp on March 15, 2009, 10:21:38 PM
make sure you save her in some alcohol.  :-)
What kind there is so many at the liquor store :-D
Title: Re: should I off the queen?
Post by: Kathyp on March 16, 2009, 11:16:01 AM
cheep stuff to preserve her.  save the expensive stuff to preserve you!!
Title: Re: should I off the queen?
Post by: Irwin on March 16, 2009, 11:50:21 AM
OK
Title: Re: should I off the queen?
Post by: gmcharlie on March 16, 2009, 11:56:17 AM
how did my post obaout offing aqueen get turned into a liquor  discussion????  *S*


Why in the heck would I want to preserve her anyway??????
Title: Re: should I off the queen?
Post by: Irwin on March 16, 2009, 12:13:50 PM
Quote from: gmcharlie on March 16, 2009, 11:56:17 AM
how did my post obaout offing aqueen get turned into a liquor  discussion????  *S*


Why in the heck would I want to preserve her anyway??????
1-Relax just having some fun :-D
           

         2-To have some thing to look at and show people :cheer:
Title: Re: should I off the queen?
Post by: Kathyp on March 16, 2009, 12:16:37 PM
look on michael bush's site under feral bees, then the bottom of the page about catching swarms.  it's about making swarm lures. 
Title: Re: should I off the queen?
Post by: Shawn on March 16, 2009, 01:56:53 PM
Kathy, Ive tried finding the "feral bees" on Michael's site but seem to be missing it. Ahh, never mind just found it.
Title: Re: should I off the queen?
Post by: Scadsobees on March 16, 2009, 02:01:31 PM
I thought that you put her in the liquor to sedate her before the execution.  :roll:

Most of my queens end up with a pin through their thorax in a graveyard of various and sundry beautiful and scary insects that my sons collect. :)  Theirs is always the only collection with a queen bee, queen hornet, queen yellowjacket, etc. One of them even had a mating pair of bumblebees still connected in death. :shock:

Rick

Title: Re: should I off the queen?
Post by: Kathyp on March 16, 2009, 02:04:09 PM
http://www.bushfarms.com/beesferal.htm

bottom of the page.  bait hives.