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Title: Carbonated honey
Post by: glassguy on April 05, 2009, 04:53:15 PM
I kept bees about 30 years ago and harvested several hundred pounds during my short career.  The question I have today concerns a gift of honey that I received.  It is a pint mason jar with a nice chunk of comb and then filled close to the top with honey.  My wife noticed that the cap was bulging today and when I opened the jar it off gassed as if the honey was carbonated.  Enough 1/4" bubbles formed that the honey actually overflowed the jar top.  It appears that the honey has crystallized in the bottom 1/2 of the jar.  I have eaten several hundred pounds of honey since I stopped keeping bees and in all my days I never have seen anything like this. I will return to the health store where it was purchased but I am still curious as to why this happened.  Has it been tampered with?  Any feed back will be appreciated.  Thanks, Steve B 
Title: Re: Carbonated honey
Post by: Robo on April 05, 2009, 07:13:45 PM
Sounds like it was harvested with too high of a moisture content and has started to ferment.
Title: Re: Carbonated honey
Post by: riverrat on April 05, 2009, 08:03:14 PM
when honey crystallizes if there is remaining uncrystalized honey it most likely will be of a higher moister content and thus more susceptible to fermenting
Title: Re: Carbonated honey
Post by: IABeeMan on April 05, 2009, 10:07:08 PM
 Sounds to me like you have a jar of Mead!!!!
It has gotta be fermentation starting.
Title: Re: Carbonated honey
Post by: glassguy on April 06, 2009, 07:25:58 PM
Is it safe to eat?  Can botulism ever be a problem such as honey being bad for infants?
Title: Re: Carbonated honey
Post by: Scadsobees on April 06, 2009, 11:33:56 PM
Botulism in honey only occurs because infants don't have as much stomach acid and bile, and that causes a neutral Ph in their intestines which is what botulism needs to grow, as well as a system without oxygen.   The slowly growing bacteria causes a very slow poisoning of the infant.  Our adult acid kills the bug.
Botulism in adults happens because the bacteria is in the jars of food which have a neutral Ph and no oxygen and they reproduce and make toxin, its the concentrated toxin that is bad, not the bacteria.

Short answer: no, botulism isn't a problem in the honey for adults.  The fermentation is from the yeast, and as far as I know the fermentation kind of yeasts aren't poison.  Sometimes a wild variety will cause bad smells, though...
Title: Re: Carbonated honey
Post by: JayC on April 07, 2009, 09:29:37 AM
Honey's low pH should suppress botulism, even if it starts to ferment.  I had a sudden, semi-related thought.  With all of the people who are taking Prilosec, or Nexium, or whatever anti-acid-reflux medicine du jour, is there any risk of these people getting botulism, just like an infant?
Title: Re: Carbonated honey
Post by: Irwin on April 07, 2009, 09:42:51 AM
Quote from: JayC on April 07, 2009, 09:29:37 AM
Honey's low pH should suppress botulism, even if it starts to ferment.  I had a sudden, semi-related thought.  With all of the people who are taking Prilosec, or Nexium, or whatever anti-acid-reflux medicine du jour, is there any risk of these people getting botulism, just like an infant?
I been taking prilosec for years and I haven't had any problems.
Title: Re: Carbonated honey
Post by: Scadsobees on April 07, 2009, 12:50:54 PM
Quote from: JayC on April 07, 2009, 09:29:37 AM
Honey's low pH should suppress botulism, even if it starts to ferment.  I had a sudden, semi-related thought.  With all of the people who are taking Prilosec, or Nexium, or whatever anti-acid-reflux medicine du jour, is there any risk of these people getting botulism, just like an infant?

No, those suppress excessive production, not stop it all togather.  And adults eat a lot of different types of food which encourages lots of kinds of gut flora, while infants only eat milk.