I just got off the phone with someone claiming to "be with PETA". They got my name from an interview I did recently with a local paper. She informed me that I was enslaving the honey bee! I told her as politly as possible to go pound sand. Has anyone else had to deal with these frootloops?
Wow! Might have been nice if she had done a little research first!
She's just mad at you because you're human. I'm sure there's a million other things she nor peta like about you or the human race. They are a cult.
...JP
PETA has been saying this stuff for a while now. I've come across their "statement" about keeping bees enslaved a few times on the internet while researching honeybee info.
Its really reaching for it when they start up with hobby beekeepers.
Bees don't get kept if they don't want to. They are free to leave anytime they want, as we are all painfully aware of.
Thats what I would have told her as well, hey I keep a hive for them if they want to leave they are free to at any point, just as the birds do in the bird houses that are up.
So I take a little honey for the rent, so what?
I also give them a place to survive the winters, a source for water, I plant lots of bee flowers and if there is no natural food source for them I will feed them so they will not starve.
Its a mutual agreement.
PETA, ya ethical treatment my ,,, The peta group have uthenized more animals than any other animal RIGHTS group. they have the lowest placement rate, and the highest killing rate. Even the SPCA adopts out more animals than Peta, and they are not the best adoption agency. They also euthinize the animals, but its way lower than any body else.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
You should have told them to attend the field day Natalie went to, the fella with the powdered sugar would have shown her they are not enslaved :-D :-D :lau:
G3
G3farms, that's hilarious!! PETA would get a lot farther if they even got near the spectrum called reasonability and logic. And, yes, I agree that they end up killing a LOT of animals and causing other animals a LOT of problems. Duh.
in Iowa Peta means people eating tasty animals
:-D G3 you are too funny!!
Thats an idea though, it would be awesome to take PETA on a tour through a beeyard and lets see who keeps who. I always feel like bees are actually people keepers.
Hey--Here too :)
I'm all for respecting animals. It's the reason I've got pastured chickens and turkeys rather than buying both from the store. I have bees now to try to give them a boost and will be creating an acre of purely bee habitat. Etc., etc.
I think PETA needs to spend a bit more time and $ researching what they are fighting so they come up with somewhat intelligent arguments. "Enslaving bees?" Yikes!
Sort of off the subject, but there is a point behind it all. I used to take rabbits to 'Rabbit Days' at the big chain feedstore so that anyone who bought rabbits for Easter pets would know how to take care of them. (I met some really good people with strange ideas about how to take care of rabbits!)
PETA showed up in full dress; one was like a pig and the other one was like a cow with udder....a man in costume to boot! :roll: They were running people away from talking to me which hurt the animals in the long run.
I found out that before they came after me at the feed store, they had stopped and got 9 puppies for FREE.....took them to the local park and turned them loose....the puppies, being puppies, went right into traffic and all but one was ran over and killed in traffic....but that was OK with PETA, as it was the choice of the puppies to go where they wanted...even if it killed them. :-x
I left to get something to eat and one of the fast food joints and a car followed me....when I came out with a sack of good to go....there was some jerk trying to dump out my rabbits that I had with me.....I BLEW UP! :-D
It would not surprise me if they were some of the folks who go around and knock over the hives so the bees can get away from being slaves....
Brenda
it's easy to make PETA go away
start quoting the bible :-D
Genesis 1:26-28 (King James Version)
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
they turn inside out and melt into gooey puddles.....
I have not had a problem with them yet, however if they ever did come around my place I would be happy to introduce them th "Mr Buckshot"
I guess a couple of years back they were hitting the dog shows, putting anti freeze in the water bowls of dogs in the show cages, there position was "better dead than in a cage"
Quote from: MustbeeNuts on June 28, 2009, 05:05:24 PM
PETA, ya ethical treatment my ,,, The peta group have uthenized more animals than any other animal RIGHTS group. they have the lowest placement rate, and the highest killing rate. Even the SPCA adopts out more animals than Peta, and they are not the best adoption agency. They also euthinize the animals, but its way lower than any body else.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
great article.
I guess that I am enslaving honey bees too. I have an electric fence around my hives. :-D
If people weren't supposed to eat animals, they wouldn't be made of meat.
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Some one once said libralism is a mental disorder and the people from peta are as libral as the come. and look how nuts they are.
taylor ham + egg + cheese on an onion hand rolled Jersey bagel fresh out of the oven with a glass of milk sweetned with honey! PETA THIS... LOL.
Sometimes I think when people join an organization like that its more about having something to belong to that makes them feel important or like they are doing something important.
They also routinely break the law with the things they do which probably attracts the type of people that feel they are above the law to begin with or fulfills some sort of need and it gives them an outlet.
They are out of touch with reality, honeybee slavery being a prime example.
I agree with what JP says about it being cultish.
Brenda, your story is exactly the behavior I am referring to.
They know no boundries, have no respect, break the law and are getting away with it.
Nothing a good dose of rock salt and a 12 gauge wouldn't cure. And all the evidence melts over a few hours time. :evil: :-D :-D
I agree with everything that was said. However don't underestimate the havoc they can cause ounce they zero in on an issue. Sportsmen stay in conflict with them over hunting and trapping rights in every state. Many of their supporters are wealthy and they will use that support to advance there agenda.
I don't think anyone is underestimating them, we just think they are crazy.
I am well aware of their connections, there are several celebrities that campaign for them.
Jessica Alba just got charged for defacing property in connection with PETA, Pamela Anderson does practically nude billboards for them, Daryl Hannah, Hayden Penattiere....
Quote from: Wynoochee_newbee_guy on June 28, 2009, 11:47:05 PM
Some one once said libralism is a mental disorder and the people from peta are as libral as the come. and look how nuts they are.
Hey--careful! A person can certainly be liberal and be FAR away from the PETA mentality. :roll:
PETA are a bunch of clowns.
They need to:
a) get a life
b) get real
c) mind their own business
Hope she choked on her indignation.
No respect for PETA whatsoever.
SH
QuoteHey--careful! a person can certainly be liberal and be FAR away from the PETA mentality
but a person can not be PETA and not be a liberal!
What I don't get is having such complete disregard for animal life while supposedly completely protecting animal life. I heard about them opening up fish farms on coastlines, where--of course--all the domestic fish were immediately eaten. Or loosing the mink, which immediately get devoured by predators.
I guess I get that they probably think if they do it enough they will dry up the markets, but still...
It reminds me of folks who think it makes sense to shoot abortionists to stop abortion.
they ran a fir store in portland out of business. the store had been there for over 100 years. a family business. they picketed, spray painted customers, blocked sidewalk, took their clothes off, harassed people on the street.....and a judge refused to restrict their activities. so much for the social contract. finally, the business gave up.
they are a mindless group, with nothing better to do, anyone that thinks that dogs or cats or birds, need to be free running, has no rational or intelligent thought patterns at all. dont they watch the animal planet, about all the starving dogs and cats left on the streets of our cities.
OH and my bees are not fenced in, they can go anywere and any time they want. :-D
they need to come on up and spend a night on my mountain. they might not think those critters are so much fun after that. :evil:
Well, the thing that I have always found interesting about PETA (and more so about their so-called 'members') is that there isn't really any membership in PETA. Most who claim to be 'members' are nothing more than financial and/or time and services contributors. People who are actually 'members' of organizations have voting and membership rights - no such rights exist within PETA. Ingrid Newkirk (the founder), along with three others (her close friends) are PETA's officers for life (Newkirk is the president of PETA). People who give money and time to PETA are doing so to support Newkirk and the other officers lifestyles (I hear that she lives in a multi-million dollar condo in D.C.). It has always made me chuckle when I hear these people tell me that they are 'members' of PETA.
The posters on this forum are correct as well - PETA kills a lot of animals, often needlessly. I think that they are less about animal welfare and more about lifestyle politics. IMO - I have always thought that if you want to be animal/eco friendly then you should be:
1. Keeping bees for honey/sweetners (do that)
2. Keeping chickens for eggs (I would but our town forbids it - although I did when I lived in OKC)
3. Hunting for your meat (do that) - or getting your meat from
4. Keeping a garden for your vegetables (do that)
It is interesting to me that PETA (and other so-called environmentally friendly groups) do not advocate any of this.
Mike
Quote from: kathyp on June 29, 2009, 01:34:28 AM
they ran a fir store in portland out of business. the store had been there for over 100 years. a family business. they picketed, spray painted customers, blocked sidewalk, took their clothes off, harassed people on the street.....and a judge refused to restrict their activities. so much for the social contract. finally, the business gave up.
I think most of us agree that their ideology is beyond extreme. They issued a press release criticising Obama for swatting a fly. I suppose malaria mosquitoes should be off limits also.
You're being unfair (and inaccurate) to allege that they're allowed to engage in acts of harassment and property damage. They have been arrested and prosecuted for criminal acts. Don't confuse their right to demonstrate with unlawful behavior. It is, after all, our Constitution that grants them this right. ELF and ALF took these agendas to another extreme and law enforcement followed them for years until they were brought to justice.
This is one of those threads that could go on...and on...
PETA folks are the fruitiest I have ever seen....I'm all for ethical treatment of animal..I guess my ethics are just different than theirs..
Anybody been watching 'Whale Wars"..? I'm trying to figure out where I stand on that one...I don't particularly want to see whales killed unless it is by the eskimo type 'indians' that truly rely on them for survival..but the people on the show remind me of PETA nutcakes..which almost makes me want to go eat some whale meat...but not quite..
Just shows you how complicated most issues really are..
QuoteYou're being unfair (and inaccurate) to allege that they're allowed to engage in acts of harassment and property damage.
in this case, i am not. even though they were photographed engaging in these activities, which went far beyond peaceful protest, they were not stopped. when the fir store took them to court, the judge threw the case out and forced the fir store to pay the legal fees for PETA and co. his reasoning? the fir store did not know the names of the people they have taped, and should not have sued PETA, but rather the individuals. this, even though PETA had taken credit for organizing and supporting the protesters.
if the same had been done in front of an abortion clinic....for more than a year!, all would have been in jail. if the names had not been known, law enforcement would have found out who they were. many of them were known to the press because they are "professional" protesters.
i support peaceful protest, but his was harassment aimed a closing a business. in the end, they were successful. the business closed.
since when does peaceful protest include vandalism, harassment, public indecency, etc? ah...but this was portland. overflow city for the San Fran kooks.
Being unfamiliar with this case, I would have to agree with you that law enforcement dropped the ball if they didn't investigate and pursue criminal charges for such obvious violations of law. Sometimes in the midst of "adversarial government" relations, private, special interest groups, who operate without the safeguards and checks and balances that apply to government, will become the real usurpers of our freedoms. Look at the insurance industry, Google, and groups like PETA. How about the epidemic of political correctness on our college campuses and in the media. Orwell's 1984 is here, but it turns out that it's the private sector watching and controlling us, not the government.
But I'm taking a stand. They ain't taking my hive tool until they pry it from my cold, dead, fingers.
Wow...that's just crazy!!
Well, this winter I'll be wearing my beautiful mink coat out in the cold, enjoying a nice hot cup of tea with home grown honey when I get home & dreaming of another summer with my bees.. 8-)
QuoteBut I'm taking a stand. They ain't taking my hive tool until they pry it from my cold, dead, fingers.
:cheer:
I think we should be nice to PETA ,, lets show them that we DO NOT enslave bees ...
lets ask them to come and we will show them how the bees do what they want and go were they want ..
Now some of you in the south must have a few good strong hives of AFHB , that we can use for this .. now remember we want as large of group as we can get .. and after its over ,, we will load the hive in there car and they can take it , and let it go were ever they want...
Thanks for all the feedback. The "lady" I spoke with just recently found out that I am a "factory farm " pork producer, (a big business in my area) so now she is off the bees and into my hogs. I will have to start locking my barns for the first time iver and pray that I catch her on my property "liberating" some of my livestock! wish me luck
be careful. why peta is not on the list with elf and the rest is beyond me. we have been through this on the horse show circuit. they sabotage tack, turn the cattle lose, etc. they say what they do is not dangerous, but if you fly off your cutting horse because someone cut the cinch stitching, it's dangerous. they never touched the horses, but i suspect they knew it would be a SSS if they did.
They have been known to "liberate" entire barns of hogs around here. The break in and open all the pens and leave the doors open. The only option is to shoot every hog you see or they will start to destroy cropland. 2200 head of fat hogs on the loose is no fun!
You have a problem on your hands. I wish you luck.
Quote from: jason58104 on June 29, 2009, 04:10:15 PM
They have been known to "liberate" entire barns of hogs around here. The break in and open all the pens and leave the doors open. The only option is to shoot every hog you see or they will start to destroy cropland. 2200 head of fat hogs on the loose is no fun!
seems if you shot the peta member it would solve the problem :-D
and "2200 head of fat hogs on the loose is no fun" why you bringing washington politics into this thread? :-D
Keith
Quote from: Keith13 on June 29, 2009, 05:15:16 PM
seems if you shot the peta member it would solve the problem :-D
If peta truly followed their own beliefs, then they would probably be supportive of you removing a human from the earth. One less person to take up the space of animals.
Self defense is a lot easier to prove when the assailant is dead.
Whatever one's cause, it's the fanatic that's dangerous, and some of PETA's membership no doubt falls into that category. Become a fanatic and things like torching an animal research facility, bombing a womens' clinic, or flying planes into buildings end up as a result. It's easy to latch onto someone else's disagreeable behavior and call them crazy or wacko or even liberal. So be careful about that - they're not necessarily crazy - they're completely committed to whatever they believe in in the extreme.
tlynn--I think you're exactly right. It's scary to think about becoming so focused on one thing that you can't see the big picture any more...
PETA= People for the Eternal Torment of Animals
Id love to get a PETA member on my 20 acre farm w/o my permision, their departure would not be pleasant..........for them
they may be fanatics for animals but i am proud to say i am a fanatic for the safety of myself, my family, my girl, my friends, my animals, and my land, unafraid to defend its rights armed or unarmed.let my firearm "judge" them if they intend on bringing harm to anything of mineor anything i love.
QuoteWhatever one's cause, it's the fanatic that's dangerous, and some of PETA's membership no doubt falls into that category.
when the charter is radical, it is logical to assume that the adherents are, unless they can prove they are not. didn't your mom every tell you "you are known by the company you keep"?
It took my family 7 years of back breaking work to sustain and thrive in their business. I am talking about 16 hours a day 7 days a week commitment.
G*d forbid if someone or an organization like Peta with its fruity members try to hurt my family it would be devastating. I feel so bad for the member who is being harassed for his bees and hogs by a lady who has nothing better to do..! How frustrating to see people like this.... I saw them all around me in College: privileged spoiled and just haggard no good idiots and brats.. some pretending to be communists, some pretending to be anarchists, some confused or just idiots waiting for a cause to come by to occupy their wasted time.
I watched Whale wars and the characters in the pirate ship reminds of me those fanatics! Why not sustainable harvest of a marine resource? Why must people with so much free time on their hand as to ride a ship to harass hard working people harvesting the bounty of the ocean?
I mean if people can't eat whale meat what is next?
-Did you know that a head of letuce is a complex organism? and as such we should not eat it... Get the image? when will these people stop?
Quote from: Rodni73 on June 30, 2009, 01:40:02 AM
[...]when will these people stop?
JP made an excellent point calling them a cult. They definitely meet at least the most common requirements to be a dysfunctional religion.
they won't stop. Short of interventive deprogramming they will continue to believe what they believe even in the face of all evidence to the contrary.
Quote from: kathyp on June 30, 2009, 01:35:15 AM
QuoteWhatever one's cause, it's the fanatic that's dangerous, and some of PETA's membership no doubt falls into that category.
when the charter is radical, it is logical to assume that the adherents are, unless they can prove they are not. didn't your mom every tell you "you are known by the company you keep"?
What do you mean "radical charter?" Are you suggesting a company's corporate charter would have language in it that condones violence? If this were so, members of the board of directors, executives, and maybe even shareholders could be liable for such violent acts of its employees or volunteers. I doubt very seriously this would be the case.
QuoteAre you suggesting a company's corporate charter would have language in it that condones violence? If this were so, members of the board of directors, executives, and maybe even shareholders could be liable for such violent acts of its employees or volunteers. I doubt very seriously this would be the case.
we are not talking about a company. we are talking about an organization. if the foundation of the organization is radical, we should not be surprised if the members behave in a radical way. and yes, i would imagine that if an organization or company supported or taught radicalism, they would be held responsible for that behavior if laws are broken.
an extreme example would be something like the hamas charter. part of the charter supports the destruction of israel. should we be surprised, then, when the members go blow themselves up in ice cream parlors? is hamas responsible for supporting and encouraging this behavior?
Quote from: BoBn on June 28, 2009, 10:20:18 PM
I guess that I am enslaving honey bees too. I have an electric fence around my hives. :-D
Now that made me laugh! Thank you! :lau:
Brenda
Quote from: kathyp on June 29, 2009, 01:23:40 PM
QuoteBut I'm taking a stand. They ain't taking my hive tool until they pry it from my cold, dead, fingers.
:cheer:
I don't know about the rest of you, but if they do try to take my 'hive tool' from me.....the heck with my cold dead fingers....I am going to SMOKE them! :evil: :-D
Brenda
Quote from: jason58104 on June 29, 2009, 04:10:15 PM
They have been known to "liberate" entire barns of hogs around here. The break in and open all the pens and leave the doors open. The only option is to shoot every hog you see or they will start to destroy cropland. 2200 head of fat hogs on the loose is no fun!
I was just telling this to my friend who is visiting me from Texas....it seems that most of the feral hogs that are now found in 40 states have DNA from some of the hogs that PETA and some other groups turned loose.
The feral hogs are really a problem in some states and they breed so fast that it is only a matter of time before they destroy a major part of our food supply.
I was also just thinking what sort of damages that a herd of Russian hybrid hogs would do to an apiary! It would be bad...probably worse than a tornado!
Brenda
QuoteThe feral hogs are really a problem in some states and they breed so fast that it is only a matter of time before they destroy a major part of our food supply
i am not worried. i have no problem eating the pigs!! what will the veggie chompers eat? :evil:
Quote from: iddee on June 29, 2009, 12:21:24 AM
Nothing a good dose of rock salt and a 12 gauge wouldn't cure. And all the evidence melts over a few hours time. :evil: :-D :-D
Salted PETA...hmmm, add some tuna salad and and a cold glass of milk and I think you have a meal. I'll try it.