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Title: Foundationless vs. PF 120 plastic
Post by: Pond Creek Farm on August 08, 2009, 10:45:44 PM
IN my harvesting today I found that the PF-120 mediums were drawn out beautifully and full of honey.  The supers with foudnationless had some very nice frames but many weird frames.  Most had honey, but not as much as the pf-120.  This observation pushes me toward the plastic in the honey super.  (although I have but one season of experience here).  I have wondered, however, about having all small cell such that the hives cannot produce drones.  I have a package that I started this April with that ultimately reulted in two deeps of PF-100.  I put a super of foundationless on this hive, and they immediately drew drone brood in the center.  This seemed to me to be natural, so I left it. When I harvested today, this super was full of drone brood with the only honey on the outside. 

What if I used only the plastic and put a few frames of the green comb in to give the bees drone comb in the upper deep?  Would this supply the needed drone comb and stop them from needing to draw it in either burr comb or the honey super? Even if I did not freeze the drone comb as is often done for mite control, Would it not keep the mites off the workers?
Title: Re: Foundationless vs. PF 120 plastic
Post by: Michael Bush on August 10, 2009, 09:01:49 PM
They really want the drone comb in the brood nest.  An empty frame in the brood nest between two straight combs is almost always drawn out perfectly and if they need drones will be drone comb.
Title: Re: Foundationless vs. PF 120 plastic
Post by: Joelel on August 11, 2009, 01:29:03 AM
Will they or can they build drone cells on a regular brood plastic foundation ?
Title: Re: Foundationless vs. PF 120 plastic
Post by: Robo on August 11, 2009, 09:32:48 AM
Quote from: Joelel on August 11, 2009, 01:29:03 AM
Will they or can they build drone cells on a regular brood plastic foundation ?
yes and yes
Title: Re: Foundationless vs. PF 120 plastic
Post by: Scadsobees on August 11, 2009, 12:05:40 PM
I really like the plastic in the honey supers.  I have a few foundationless super frames that they drew out as all drone.  Even though they have plenty of drone comb in the brood boxes, the queen will still travel up through 2 supers of capped honey to lay in that one frame of drone comb in the super. :-x

But that is only a frame or two, not a full super.  Yes, if you had more drone comb in the brood boxes they wouldn't lay so much up top.