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Can you open feed soy flour and brewers yeast, say on a plate out of the weather? Will it do the bees any good ? Will they come and eat it? Thanks for any opinions

I'm sure they will come and collect it ,  bees will collect graindust when they can't find pollen whether or not it is good for them I don't really know for sure and you will get alot of different opinions on that part of your question most on here seem to prefer at least some real pollen for feeding.

Yes, Yes, and Yes...

Just put it where the coons and possums can't eat it.

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Really bad idea even if many do it.

When you look what happens, bees ventilate most of flour to bushes.
It is easier to make pollen patty


Protein depends what you have easy to get and what is the price.
Nowadays I use more yeast because I got it cheaply.

3 kg dry irradiated pollen
0,7 litre water to soften pollen over night
3 kg dry baker yeast
2 kg soya flour with fat or without
1 kg fructose ( or honey if you do not have AFB)
1 kg flour sugar
3 multivitamin pill crushed and diluted into water.
150 mg C- vitamin = Ascorbic acid powder
magnesium 2 pills
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10,7 kg total

Add 200 g food oil if soya is fatfree.

28% pollen

This is for 20 hives for one week

Quote from: Finman;104353.
Bees start to eate at once the new patty. It means that patty is good and bees are protein hungry



They lick the sugar and they bite flour with jaws.

More reading

http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/2...03.htm#protein (http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/2...03.htm#protein)

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http://www.bing.com/search?q=austral...ox&FORM=IE8SRC (http://www.bing.com/search?q=austral...ox&FORM=IE8SRC)

FAT BEES, SKINNY BEES
-a manual on honey bee nutrition for beekeepers-
A report for the Rural Industries, Australia
150 pages

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http://www.extension.org/pages/Honey_Bee_Nutrition (http://www.extension.org/pages/Honey_Bee_Nutrition) , USA Michican University, updated 2010
(look for further reading)

But we have SHB down here that love patties and you will loose the hive if they get into the patties.

Here is dry substitute feeding.

Note the covers to hold in the powder....  ;)

(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x236/BjornBee/Beepictures096.jpg)

I like the jar feeders in the back ground.   Good for open feeding. 

Absolutely....  ;)

Here is a better picture showing the bees hovering. They really prefer to hover, swoop down and scoop some up, then work the pollen baskets in mid-flight, swoop down and do it over and over.

(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x236/BjornBee/Beepictures063.jpg)

Of course I should mention that you only get this much action when using Bjorn's Special Blend Pollen Substitute.   :-D

Which is not on the market any longer.  ;)

Bjorn, what's your recipe for dry substitute?

Scott

Here is some information some may find useful....

http://www.bjornapiaries.com/feedingoptions.html (http://www.bjornapiaries.com/feedingoptions.html)

Quote from: hardwood on January 17, 2011, 03:55:19 PM
Bjorn, what's your recipe for dry substitute?

Scott

I'm more than happy to answer any direct questions. Whether something is good, bad, etc. But I do not tell the full story as to what we made. It took us a couple years and played around with many recipes. Most are the same with small variations. And many worked well. Just some better than others.  ;)

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I have tried open feedind with pollen and soya flour. It did not worked.  Most of caluable stuff goes into wilderness and it vain flying.
Some hives visit there not at all.

Patty feeding is a sure system and I know how much they eate.

Quote from: BjornBee on January 17, 2011, 03:46:12 PM
Here is dry substitute feeding.

Note the covers to hold in the powder....  ;)

(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x236/BjornBee/Beepictures096.jpg)

Those are two awesome pictures. Would make some cool posters.

Ya, and you would not believe how much honey he had to pour over those tops to bring in the bees like that.    :-D

Joke or not, how would you feel if someone posted a reply like that to your post? No, there's no honey involved. That's the way they take it.

Quote from: BjornBee on January 17, 2011, 04:02:07 PM

Quote from: hardwood on January 17, 2011, 03:55:19 PM
Bjorn, what's your recipe for dry substitute?

Scott

I'm more than happy to answer any direct questions. Whether something is good, bad, etc. But I do not tell the full story as to what we made. It took us a couple years and played around with many recipes. Most are the same with small variations. And many worked well. Just some better than others.  ;)

Aw c'mon Mike...I'll give you a quarter :-D

Scott

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I have 30 hives in my cottage yard. Bees even fight on water sources. What a riot to put honey outside!

Once I gives outside irradiated pollen. Many hive start to forage it but in autumn one hive had congured the whole spot. 20 more got nothing.

Quote from: iddee on January 17, 2011, 06:00:27 PM
Joke or not, how would you feel if someone posted a reply like that to your post? No, there's no honey involved. That's the way they take it.

Thanks iddee.

The comment kind of threw me off. Was it a joke? Was it a serious? Would others reading this take it serious? I mean it only takes one idiot to believe it, then start assuming that this was the case, based on a small innocent jab and some humor.

I was going to respond sooner, but thought, if I did, it would seem defensive, or the joke was on me by allowing a reply and someone yankin my chain.

I'm glad you stepped in and actually set everybody straight before people started responding with crazy talk of people open feeding honey.   :shock:

Quote from: Finski on January 18, 2011, 02:00:09 AM
I have 30 hives in my cottage yard.

No wonder the fighting.  ;)

Quote from: Finski on January 18, 2011, 02:00:09 AM
Bees even fight on water sources.

Put out more... ;)

Quote from: Finski on January 18, 2011, 02:00:09 AM
What a riot to put honey outside!

It was a joke. Quit thinking the worst of us stupid Americans.

Quote from: Finski on January 18, 2011, 02:00:09 AM
Once I gives outside irradiated pollen. Many hive start to forage it but in autumn one hive had congured the whole spot. 20 more got nothing.

I would do something different. It sounds like you are a bad beekeeper to allow this to happen.


Myself.....an easy glance at the many hives in my backyard told me they were all getting some. The pollen supplement was a particular color and it was going in all the hives.

I still think its an awesome picture.

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Surely I love to watch how bees collect pollen. I have tried many plants.
This is one of the best: Verbascus nigrum Finland x  Vn Yogoslavia

This has a little bit hybrid vigour.

(http://bee.freesuperhost.com/yabbfiles/Attachments/tulikuk2.jpg)

One plant in this picture
(http://bee.freesuperhost.com/yabbfiles/Attachments/tulikuk.jpg)

Quote from: VolunteerK9 on January 18, 2011, 10:41:57 AM
I still think its an awesome picture.

Thank you K9.  ;)

Thanks everyone, the open feeding of soy flour is going great.On warm days they are all over it loading up their pollen baskets with it and carrying it back to their hives. thanks...JOHN :)

BJORNBEE       VERY GOOD INFO ON OPEN FEEDING BEE POLLEN THIS KIND OF INFO SHOULD GO IN AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL MY POLLEN SUBS GET WORKED OVER JUST LIKE YOURS NO HONEY ADDED AND THEY LOVE IT