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Title: Found a gigantic queen cell...
Post by: The Bix on May 07, 2011, 03:29:14 PM
Looking through one of my hives today and found a very big queen cell in the center of a frame in the bottom deep hive body.  It was not anywhere near the bottom of the frame and was the only queen cell I found.  The hive has drawn lots of drone comb (foundationless) and as a result I have lots of drones in the hive as well.  The queen is doing well, has a decent laying pattern, lots of brood.  And there is also plenty of room in the double deep.  I'm guessing this means that this is a healthy hive that is not planning to swarm, but working to supersede the queen.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Found a gigantic queen cell...
Post by: G3farms on May 07, 2011, 07:44:49 PM
could be the gals are seeing too much drone brood and decided to change queens.
Title: Re: Found a gigantic queen cell...
Post by: The Bix on May 07, 2011, 08:52:31 PM
But, the workers build the drone cells, not the queen's fault, no?
Title: Re: Found a gigantic queen cell...
Post by: Brian D. Bray on May 07, 2011, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: The Bix on May 07, 2011, 08:52:31 PM
But, the workers build the drone cells, not the queen's fault, no?

True the workers build the combs, the queen lays the appropriate egg in each type of cell.  But when a queen doesn't lay enough eggs, lays too many drone to worker egg ratio, or isn't producing sufficient phenomones to satisfy the workers will replace the queen. 

Prior to a reproductive swarm the drone to worker ration might be as high as 40% but after that it is maintained at about 20% for the remainder of the season, even if the  hive swarms again.
Title: Re: Found a gigantic queen cell...
Post by: Michael Bush on May 08, 2011, 02:22:05 AM
When the bees don't want more drones they fill the drone cells with nectar to keep the queen from laying in them.
Title: Re: Found a gigantic queen cell...
Post by: Dallas Don on May 08, 2011, 01:10:36 PM
The colony that decides their queen is not up to the task at hand starts supersedure promptly. After starting supersedure cells the old queen is expendable.
Title: Re: Found a gigantic queen cell...
Post by: The Bix on May 09, 2011, 04:41:12 PM
Based upon what I've described, should I be concerned about a swarm or is this only supersedure?  I realize that a supersedure and swarming are not mutually exclusive.  I'm just concerned about my neighbors freaking out because of a swarm.
Title: Re: Found a gigantic queen cell...
Post by: Michael Bush on May 09, 2011, 10:52:23 PM
The circumstances appear to be a supersedure.