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Title: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Danarchy on May 22, 2011, 03:18:57 PM
I live in a large old commercial building, and was wondering if anyone kept bee's inside? Like a room size observation hive, climate controlled, and an entrance/exit tube where they could come and go. Double doors like a vestabule to keep them in the room and out of our living area. Just a Crazy thought I would like to see what people have to say about it. -Thanks
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: AllenF on May 22, 2011, 03:45:49 PM
Bees in an observation hive would work.   But they would have to come and go through a pipe to the outside.    Bee hive inside a building where they could fly around, no.    Bee hives in greenhouses do not work.   Bees would get confused by the windows and all die.
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Danarchy on May 22, 2011, 04:32:54 PM
I was thinking more of a bee room that had access to outside...just a crazy thought. I don't really have a yard and I think the roof would be too hot in the Texas summers.
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: hankdog1 on May 22, 2011, 10:29:11 PM
Yes if they could get outside it would work but then you would have to take them outside to add supers and stuff don't want them flying around the building with no way to get home.  Have you considered finding a bee yard out a little in the country?  Most farmers don't mind you keeping bees on their place.
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Danarchy on May 22, 2011, 11:12:24 PM
I am Brand-New to Beekeeping, and I am interning with a beekeeper out in the country. He had back surgery and advertised for a helper, because he couldn't do it all. I was just wondering how I could have bee's where I live. I was thinking about a 25'x25' dedicated room on the second floor with hives in the room and access to outside through tubes.(or the windows)
I have alot of unused space, but like I said"no yard". This was just an idea,I still need to learn alot more about bees.
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Michael Bush on May 23, 2011, 12:17:01 AM
Bees flying in a room don't look for the way out, their instincts lead them to light, not exit, so they usually bang their heads against the glass of whatever window until they die.  Honey bees do not do well in greenhouses or any other indoor place.  They way they navigate and their instincts make it not work.
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Danarchy on May 23, 2011, 12:50:53 AM
Thanks! I just had to ask.
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: forrestcav on May 23, 2011, 01:22:38 PM
it kinda sounds like some of the european bee houses. where the front of the hive is open to the outside, but the hive are accessable from the inside for the beekeeper. The bees don't really have free rein of the room, but your able to work under cover.
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: oliver on May 23, 2011, 01:29:38 PM
WE have 1 hive in a building as an experiment. It is placed under a window that can be opened, the other windows are covered, no light,.. With the close window open when working on the hive, they seem to all go out and back in the hive entrance below,, so far anyway,, time will tell if this works.. have a good day..dl
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Danarchy on May 23, 2011, 02:23:02 PM
apiculture.ncf.ca/Documents/BeeHouse.JPG

this is kinda what I was thinking about, mainly due to the extreme heat in the summer(Texas)
Now I am thinking a covered deck on the roof? Man-made shade and cut down on the wind some?
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Danarchy on May 23, 2011, 02:24:00 PM
need to add http://
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: forrestcav on May 23, 2011, 09:52:44 PM
can you make that a true link?
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Danarchy on May 23, 2011, 09:57:24 PM
I wish I could, but I have not been a member long enough to be trusted to post a link. Go Figure?
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Michael Bush on May 24, 2011, 01:29:22 AM
They do better in the sun.
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: FRAMEshift on May 24, 2011, 07:35:11 AM
Quote from: AllenF on May 22, 2011, 03:45:49 PM
Bees in an observation hive would work.   But they would have to come and go through a pipe to the outside.    Bee hive inside a building where they could fly around, no.    Bee hives in greenhouses do not work.   Bees would get confused by the windows and all die.

That's interesting.  You would think that an observation hive is the same thing as a room with windows.  There is light coming into a space but that light does not mark the exit.  Yet, they still manage to use the exit tube, which is dark.
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Michael Bush on May 24, 2011, 12:00:34 PM
The scale of distance is quite different.  And they ofte get crazy trying to get through the glass instead of going out the entrance.  But random chance says they may find their way out.
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: glenn c hile on May 24, 2011, 12:09:19 PM
There is a ~100 year old house here that has a hive built into the attic.  It is similar to a top bar hive with an entrance to the outside.  Bees do no have access to the attic but hive maintenance can be done as needed.  It has been abandoned for a number of years and is no longer in use.  Been meaning to get over and take some photos just low on the priority list.  Old timers say the original owner kept bees successfully in it.
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Tommyt on May 24, 2011, 12:12:22 PM
Here is the picture,I know a man in Florida that has a Bee shed set up
very similar.

I say you can do it if you mimic this and when you inspect
be sure you have a window with the top portion open for escape

(http://apiculture.ncf.ca/Documents/BeeHouse.JPG)
picture from here
http://apiculture.ncf.ca/Documents/ (http://apiculture.ncf.ca/Documents/)


Tommyt
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: forrestcav on May 25, 2011, 03:02:43 PM
that's what I was thinking of there. Protects the hives and the beek from the weather.
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Tommyt on May 25, 2011, 03:37:45 PM
Here is another found in a search on Google for "Slovenian AZ Beehive"
(http://www.webslovenia.si/cebela/albums/userpics/cebelnjak~0.jpg)


Danarchy
I sent you a PM
So if you see a pop up that is what it should be
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Danarchy on May 25, 2011, 08:43:35 PM
Thanks TommyT! That is what I was thinking about! I just wonder how much maintenence to the hives is done from the front(outside)? I am envisioning this upstairs in our building. Very Cool site with lots of Great information.
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Danarchy on May 25, 2011, 09:12:40 PM
(http://imageshack.us/m/577/3513/beewindow.jpg)
here is a hack-photoshop job of what I would like to try in the future, when I know a lot more. Opinions?
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Michael Bush on May 26, 2011, 01:49:33 AM
Perhaps on a -27 F day with the wind howling the building would help.  But on a calm sunny winter day, I want them to get sun. On a hot summer day they are more productive and healthy in full sun.  So I can't see that it's worth the cost.
Title: Re: Indoor Beekeeping?
Post by: Scadsobees on May 26, 2011, 09:11:17 AM
The other issue I see is trying to go through a hive...you'll have to lift them all down before inspecting, not to mention that there isn't any room there to add supers.

I think it could work, but not for more than a couple of hives.  And reflecting on what Michael says, there are probably easier ways to do it.  But it could be fun to try if you have an empty room that you don't mind getting messed up and you don't plan on keeping more than a couple there.