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Title: Getting ready to swarm, what are my options?
Post by: VTnewbee on June 07, 2011, 04:50:33 PM
So my one and only hive appears to be getting ready to swarm.  Is there anything I can do at this point to either prevent it or encourage them to move into my nuc box (the only extra equipment I have)?  Or do I just wish them farewell?
Title: Re: Getting ready to swarm, what are my options?
Post by: Kathyp on June 07, 2011, 04:57:51 PM
why do you think they are going to swarm?
Title: Re: Getting ready to swarm, what are my options?
Post by: VTnewbee on June 07, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
Well, they've been building up (bearding) on both the top and bottom entrances for the past week or two.  I've given them more space, more air flow, etc. and today they are covering the entire face of the hive.  I can't be sure of course, and it is a hot day, but it does seem likely, doesn't it?

Also, would it be useless to just put the nuc box out there in hopes that they'll just move into that?  If it's not a totally dumb idea, what would be the best way to set it up, in front of the hive, on top of it, proximity?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Getting ready to swarm, what are my options?
Post by: Rodni73 on June 07, 2011, 05:05:48 PM
Hi there!

I live below you in the pristine suburban wilderness of Northern New Jersey! Last year my two hives swarmed in mid May.  This year, and I think due to cold weather and crazy spring weather they have not decided to swarm as of yet. Hope you catch them when they swarm!


-Rodni   
Title: Re: Getting ready to swarm, what are my options?
Post by: schawee on June 07, 2011, 05:09:13 PM
sounds like bearding to me. you need to check to see if they have swarm cells and if they do  i would take the old queen out with some frames of  brood and honey and place it in your nuc.if not do nothing.thats is a way they regulate the temp in the hive.      ...schawee
Title: Re: Getting ready to swarm, what are my options?
Post by: caticind on June 07, 2011, 06:02:48 PM
Quote from: VTnewbee on June 07, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
Well, they've been building up (bearding) on both the top and bottom entrances for the past week or two.  I've given them more space, more air flow, etc. and today they are covering the entire face of the hive.  I can't be sure of course, and it is a hot day, but it does seem likely, doesn't it?

Also, would it be useless to just put the nuc box out there in hopes that they'll just move into that?  If it's not a totally dumb idea, what would be the best way to set it up, in front of the hive, on top of it, proximity?  Thanks!

Bearding is just temperature control.  But you should find out if you have any actual signs of swarming - brood comb backfilled with nectar, queen cells (capped or uncapped), queen is there but not laying.  You have to get into the hive to know whether they might be about to swarm.  If they swarm, they will go at least a few hundred feet away, so setting the nuc near the hive won't help.

Bearding means your hive is full of bees, so this is the perfect time to make a split into your nuc if you would like to have two hives. Splitting can also help prevent swarming.

Here's a breakdown of your options, in order:

Title: Re: Getting ready to swarm, what are my options?
Post by: Brian D. Bray on June 07, 2011, 06:48:46 PM
Bearding is a form of temperature control, getting the excess bees out of the hive to better circulate air through the hive.
Bearding is an indicator of a pending swarm because a hive crowded with an over abundance of population will swarm, soon or later.

The nice thing about a slatted rack is that it can metigate both problems long enough to correct them.  Excess bees will gather on the slatted rack, and can even assist in circulating air through the hive from the rack.  Excess bees will gather on the rack and reduce the conjestion within a hive that over population causes. 

2 more items towards swarm control is keeping the brood nest open (replacing full frames with foundation or foundationless frames) and timely supering using the 30/70 percent rule.
Title: Re: Getting ready to swarm, what are my options?
Post by: VTnewbee on June 07, 2011, 09:16:04 PM
Thank you everyone!  :-* I guess I need to get into the hive and take a look and maybe attempt a split.  Unfortunately I won't be able to do so until this weekend.  And thank you for reminding me about the slatted rack, it's something I have repeatedly told myself I wanted to get. 
Title: Re: Getting ready to swarm, what are my options?
Post by: L Daxon on June 08, 2011, 12:21:47 AM
VT,

I second the slatted rack idea.  My first-year hive was bearding real bad last summer and it was like night and day different after I put the slatted rack on.  Now I have slatted bottom racks on all 3 of my hives.  I've also read that the queen will lay closer to the bottom of the frames in the bottom brood box with a sbr on.

Linda D