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Title: Did I just see
Post by: slacker361 on April 06, 2012, 04:37:14 PM
I can't believe my eyes I just saw a 3 lbs of buck fast bees with a queen of course for $170.00....... if this is actually selling ...screw the honey sales, time to just sell bees

Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: BlueBee on April 06, 2012, 06:39:23 PM
Reminds me of the Eagles re-union tour in the late 90s.  They were asking something like $100 a ticket and I said no way.  That was an insane amount of $$ for a concert ticket at the time.  Nobody had ever asked that much.  However lots of people still shelled out $100 for a few hours of music. 

Yep, $170 for a package of bees sounds insane to me too, but maybe everybody's not as rational as we are  :-D 
Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: AllenF on April 06, 2012, 06:49:13 PM
Where did you see it for $170?
Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: G3farms on April 06, 2012, 07:14:30 PM
hopefully that was a ten frame hive delivered.
Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: organicfarmer on April 06, 2012, 08:24:55 PM
Demand and supply, i heard it's called
Good for the supplier :evil: and, well...  :'( shell it out, demander.
Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: FRAMEshift on April 06, 2012, 08:52:49 PM
Around here regular Georgia Italians are going for $100/package.   But unless you are doing artificial insemination, it's not worth buying genetics for $170.  Just buy a queen and add her to an existing hive.
Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: AllenF on April 06, 2012, 09:00:13 PM
They are $60 to $70 for 3 pounds here in Georgia.
Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: slacker361 on April 06, 2012, 10:12:08 PM
Quote from: FRAMEshift on April 06, 2012, 08:52:49 PM
Around here regular Georgia Italians are going for $100/package.   But unless you are doing artificial insemination, it's not worth buying genetics for $170.  Just buy a queen and add her to an existing hive.

Frameshift......if my other two hives survived that is what I was going to do , mate me some queens and have the mutt queens wacked.
Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: divemaster1963 on April 06, 2012, 10:39:21 PM
Quote from: slacker361 on April 06, 2012, 10:12:08 PM
Quote from: FRAMEshift on April 06, 2012, 08:52:49 PM
Around here regular Georgia Italians are going for $100/package.   But unless you are doing artificial insemination, it's not worth buying genetics for $170.  Just buy a queen and add her to an existing hive.

Frameshift......if my other two hives survived that is what I was going to do , mate me some queens and have the mutt queens wacked.


Hey I like the mutes. they are survivors and know were to find necture when the gen high hive is struggling.

WOLF! WOLF! :whip:

john
Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: AllenF on April 06, 2012, 10:42:20 PM
Mutes?   Because they don't bark?
Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: FRAMEshift on April 06, 2012, 11:44:39 PM
Quote from: slacker361 on April 06, 2012, 10:12:08 PM
Frameshift......if my other two hives survived that is what I was going to do , mate me some queens and have the mutt queens wacked.
All our bees are locally mated (mutts  :-D )   I just meant that if you want a particular type bee (Buckfast for example) you don't need to buy a hive of buckfast bees.  You can just get a buckfast queen and put her in a Italian hive.  And soon you will have a buckfast hive.  I know you understand this.  I'm just making a point for newbees who may think they have to buy an entire hive.

I like locally mated and my favorite are feral.  I wish I had more of them.

Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: divemaster1963 on April 06, 2012, 11:50:03 PM
I did not mean to be mean. just picking -a little :-D.

all mine are farel that I get from swarms and cutouts. I have three bee trees that I am pulling hives off of. I am hoping to get three or four hives from each per year. they are really really strong hives that have been in place for several years now. The property owners told me about them last year.
Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: Jim134 on April 06, 2012, 11:56:44 PM
Quote from: FRAMEshift on April 06, 2012, 11:44:39 PM
Quote from: slacker361 on April 06, 2012, 10:12:08 PM
Frameshift......if my other two hives survived that is what I was going to do , mate me some queens and have the mutt queens wacked.
All our bees are locally mated (mutts  :-D )   I just meant that if you want a particular type bee (Buckfast for example) you don't need to buy a hive of buckfast bees.  You can just get a buckfast queen and put her in a Italian hive.  And soon you will have a buckfast hive.  I know you understand this.  I'm just making a point for newbees who may think they have to buy an entire hive.

I like locally mated and my favorite are feral.  I wish I had more of them.




Buckfast are hybrid bees
and yes I did get 20 queen bees from Brother Adam in the 70s

http://www.buckfast.org.uk/site.php?use=bees (http://www.buckfast.org.uk/site.php?use=bees)

http://www.apiservices.com/articles/us/adam.htm (http://www.apiservices.com/articles/us/adam.htm)

   BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)
Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: slacker361 on April 07, 2012, 09:39:44 AM
Quote from: Jim 134 on April 06, 2012, 11:56:44 PM
Quote from: FRAMEshift on April 06, 2012, 11:44:39 PM
Quote from: slacker361 on April 06, 2012, 10:12:08 PM
Frameshift......if my other two hives survived that is what I was going to do , mate me some queens and have the mutt queens wacked.
All our bees are locally mated (mutts  :-D )   I just meant that if you want a particular type bee (Buckfast for example) you don't need to buy a hive of buckfast bees.  You can just get a buckfast queen and put her in a Italian hive.  And soon you will have a buckfast hive.  I know you understand this.  I'm just making a point for newbees who may think they have to buy an entire hive.

I like locally mated and my favorite are feral.  I wish I had more of them.



Jim how dod you get those queens here???? I don't think they will still do that will they?




Buckfast are hybrid bees
and yes I did get 20 queen bees from Brother Adam in the 70s

http://www.buckfast.org.uk/site.php?use=bees (http://www.buckfast.org.uk/site.php?use=bees)

http://www.apiservices.com/articles/us/adam.htm (http://www.apiservices.com/articles/us/adam.htm)

   BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)
Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: FRAMEshift on April 07, 2012, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: Jim 134 on April 06, 2012, 11:56:44 PM
Buckfast are hybrid bees
and yes I did get 20 queen bees from Brother Adam in the 70s
   BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)

All Apis Mellifera are the same species.  None of them are hybrids because they can all interbreed.  

I know what you mean though.  :-D   Buckfast are a cross between two defined "races" of bees.  But the truth is that all bees are very mixed.  I think you could argue that there is no such thing as an Italian bee being sold in the US.  They are a jumble of genes introduced through open mating with whatever drones are flying in the area.

That was my original point.  Unless you are doing artificial insemination, you are not going to propagate a "race" of bees beyond the queens you buy.  And who knows if the queens you buy really represent a "pure" race.  Diversity is a good thing.... especially when it comes to a species under environmental assault.
Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: Jim134 on April 07, 2012, 12:40:18 PM
Buckfast - Apis Mellifera: hybrid
The Buckfast hybrid was produced by Brother Adam of the Buckfast Abbey. Brother Adam crossed many races of bees (mainly Anatolians with Italians and Carniolans) in hopes of creating a superior breed. The results are what is now know as the Buckfast Bee. While the European variety of Buckfast are considered very gentle, the American variety is far more defensive. There is a debate among beekeepers if this defensiveness is due to breeding for varroa resistance or partial hybridization with the AHB (Africanized Honey Bee) of the Buckfast line in America. The issues are further clouded in that the two leading American queen breeders are breeding for varroa resistance and are also located in AHB territory. AHB are usually considered by most experts to be more resistant to varroa than the European Honey Bee.

http://www.beekeepingstarterkit.com/page/1317490 (http://www.beekeepingstarterkit.com/page/1317490)

If you read this you well see the word hybrid use more than 1 or 2 times

http://www.bushfarms.com/beesraces.htm (http://www.bushfarms.com/beesraces.htm)
   


        BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)
Title: Re: Did I just see
Post by: SEEYA on April 07, 2012, 09:12:50 PM
>>Mutes?   Because they don't bark?
X:X

There really needs to be an icon for this kind of post, you know a donkey with a graduation beenie.