The good Dr. has posted free for limited time for all that haven't seen of want to review -
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/04/21/vanishing-bees-film.aspx?e_cid=20120421_DNL_art_1 (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/04/21/vanishing-bees-film.aspx?e_cid=20120421_DNL_art_1)
Has Dee Lusby for all that organic keep.
Regards, AMR
Best viewed with a grain of salt. There are some inaccurate and misleading statements in there, designed to alarm more than inform.
Just my opinion.
Joe
Thanks, that was a fascinating and very sad movie.
Can you be specific with what the inaccurate statements are, Joe?
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Text is quite a humbug. Disinformation.
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In Europe it has been founded a COLOSS BEE PROJECT to find out the the reasons of colony losses. There are over 30 diseases and pestt in bees. Which of them makes what?
Reasons in different countries are different. Lowest losses in Europe have been about 7% an highest 20% and another year 30%. Pick up some number and say that it is world wide, it is more losses in writer's head than in bee yards.
Even many researchers "colapses" to cry after bee losses. They try get money to their own researching projects.
In UK they cried that bees are vanishing. But the statistic showed that beehive numbers have grown 60% in two years! In London the Mayor suggested that city buyes beehives and let the folks nurse them! No no! said the president of London Beekeepers. "we have too much hives even allready!
Some news go around the world. Original Information is perhaps 4 years old but newspapers make the drama living again and again. First it was 10 dead hives, then bees are vanishing and then mankind is vanishing.
Einstein said something about bees? Why? When Einstein lived, ecology was unknown view.
It has been just killed 80 million people in II WORLD WAR and he started to think bees?
There was not much environmental poisons in the world then. DDT was harmless. Weed control chemicals were not known what they do to people.
Quote from: Finski on April 25, 2012, 10:18:44 PM
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If ya can't see it. . It ain't there. :-P
We put blinders on the morgans when they are hitched up as a team. They don't wear them in the pasture.
Quote from: BoBn on April 26, 2012, 09:20:00 AM
Quote from: Finski on April 25, 2012, 10:18:44 PM
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If ya can't see it. . It ain't there. :-P
We put blinders on the morgans when they are hitched up as a team. They don't wear them in the pasture.
oli tosi ystävällistä kun kerroit ja jaoit salaisuuden kanssamme.
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DR M goes off the deep end with lots of stuff. he has some good ideas that get lost in the extremes. he tends to embrace the extremes when given the opportunity to present info. but hey...we all have to make a living :-D
Quote from: Finski on April 26, 2012, 01:09:07 PM
oli tosi ystävällistä kun kerroit ja jaoit salaisuuden kanssamme.
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Kiitos kuvaus Finski. Ei, en puhu suomea. Best of onnen kanssa mehiläisille tänä vuonna.
Quote from: kathyp on April 26, 2012, 01:23:21 PM
DR M goes off the deep end with lots of stuff. he has some good ideas that get lost in the extremes. he tends to embrace the extremes when given the opportunity to present info. but hey...we all have to make a living :-D
That's exactly why folks like me can't take people like that seriously. I smell an agenda a mile off. There's been so much money made by some claiming the sky is falling for their pet cause that many like me longer listen.
Quote from: Finski on April 26, 2012, 01:09:07 PM
Quote from: BoBn on April 26, 2012, 09:20:00 AM
Quote from: Finski on April 25, 2012, 10:18:44 PM
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If ya can't see it. . It ain't there. :-P
We put blinders on the morgans when they are hitched up as a team. They don't wear them in the pasture.
oli tosi ystävällistä kun kerroit ja jaoit salaisuuden kanssamme.
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"it was really kind when you reported and divided with a secret. Finski"
Just because it's written does it automatically mean it's true? If so you've got to believe Finski's finding too. If not that means you had to discount Kinski's findings. Ironic how the Morgans metaphor is double edged isn't it?
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My syn is that I know about bees too much, much more than those who heal wounds with honey.
MAAREC in USA is the quell where I read CDD news. USA is only country where CDD exists.
It seems to be connected to the huge migrative beekeeping.
Canada has had bad varroa disaters.
I do not trust on UK gang. They may say what ever. They do not have even beekeeping researching. Just find a 85 y old guy from Scotland and he tells the truth.
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Quote from: jredburn on April 24, 2012, 06:36:12 PM
Best viewed with a grain of salt. There are some inaccurate and misleading statements in there, designed to alarm more than inform.
Just my opinion.
Joe
Yes I'm interested in the misinfo in the film. What are you reffering to? This country w/ its experiment & prove later attitude sanctioned by the FDA is eggregious for sure! Now Monsanto buyin of Beelogics is possibly makin inroads to genetically engineerin bee & then controllin the pollination biz by saying you stole their GE bees even though cross breedin is going to happen regardless. My relatives came to this country to escape tyranny only for it to follow here! Just to farm & raise/keep livestock organically will be an illegal act, if our government has any say. What is this world comin to?
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With wrong information you can do only wrong decisions.
World does not become better on believing ghosts.
the problem with almost all of the current CCD info is that (for one thing) it ignores history.
http://www.beeculture.com/content/ColonyCollapseDisorderPDFs/7%20Colony%20Collapse%20Disorder%20Have%20We%20Seen%20This%20Before%20-%20Robyn%20M.%20Underwood%20and%20Dennis%20vanEngelsdorp.pdf (http://www.beeculture.com/content/ColonyCollapseDisorderPDFs/7%20Colony%20Collapse%20Disorder%20Have%20We%20Seen%20This%20Before%20-%20Robyn%20M.%20Underwood%20and%20Dennis%20vanEngelsdorp.pdf)
it seems to be a non-story now anyway. google it and you have to spell it out. did anyone not get packages because there were not enough bees to go around?
it's another chance for the usual alarmists to blame the usual suspects. and we suck it down in the usual way.
Quote from: Apis_M_Rescue on April 26, 2012, 08:05:16 PM
Yes I'm interested in the misinfo in the film. What are you reffering to? This country w/ its experiment & prove later attitude sanctioned by the FDA is eggregious for sure! Now Monsanto buyin of Beelogics is possibly makin inroads to genetically engineerin bee & then controllin the pollination biz by saying you stole their GE bees even though cross breedin is going to happen regardless. My relatives came to this country to escape tyranny only for it to follow here! Just to farm & raise/keep livestock organically will be an illegal act, if our government has any say. What is this world comin to?
These are exactly the "sky is falling" claims that I'm referring to. Some serious stretches of logic/immagination/reason and voila' we've got ourselves a good old fashioned crisis with some faceless big company as the boogie man. History, logic, repeatable scientific proof be darned, that's not important because it's a CRISIS and we've got act now... no matter if what we do does more harm than what we were claiming. It makes us
feel like we're doing something important.
If the world stopped everytime someone cried wolf we'd still be banging rocks together.
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I wrote on UK forum orwas it here
- sign your name: stop GMO
- sign your name: stop Monsato
- sign your name: save bees
yes but I am not that stupid
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Honey and wounds
my son is a surgeon. I have asked, do they use honey in surgical operations?
- no, they don't.
i phoned to my son and his 3 y old girl asked a new plaster to the finger. Some small scratch
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I asked, does an old fashion blow help to problems. Yes it is good but the magic influence is with cold water. It is really good in healing, he said.
.no, I am not going to put honey to my grand childrens wounds.
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Here are a few more articles on the subject:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/p1027164r403288u/fulltext.html (http://www.springerlink.com/content/p1027164r403288u/fulltext.html)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7FCgF0BwlDGZXZVWFFqUUtRTGl5Uzdyb21VRV9Bdw/edit?pli=1 (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7FCgF0BwlDGZXZVWFFqUUtRTGl5Uzdyb21VRV9Bdw/edit?pli=1)
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0014720 (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0014720)
http://www.farmlandbirds.net/sites/default/files/Creswell%20Bee%20Article%20(2).pdf (http://www.farmlandbirds.net/sites/default/files/Creswell%20Bee%20Article%20(2).pdf)
http://www.bulletinofinsectology.org/pdfarticles/vol56-2003-063-067bortolotti.pdf (http://www.bulletinofinsectology.org/pdfarticles/vol56-2003-063-067bortolotti.pdf)
http://www.rfb.it/moria-api/agrofarmaci_dannosi/neonicotinoidi/documenti/Sublethal_effects_of_thiamethoxam_on_bees.pdf (http://www.rfb.it/moria-api/agrofarmaci_dannosi/neonicotinoidi/documenti/Sublethal_effects_of_thiamethoxam_on_bees.pdf)
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0030023#s1 (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0030023#s1)