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Title: Supercedure Cell Strategy
Post by: specialkayme on April 28, 2012, 01:13:00 PM
I caught a swarm about a month ago. As of today, they have covered close to 6 medium frames. Not a huge swarm, but they are growing.

I noticed two queen cells (capped) today. While both are closer to the bottom of one frame, I still suspect they are supercedure cells, and not swarm cells, due largely to the size of the colony but also to the number of cells.

I am torn between just letting them replace their queen, who appears to be a good layer, cutting out the cells, and making a split.

I know Michael Palmer just allows supercedures to take place. It's a part of nature, and usually the bees know more than you do about what is going on.

Just wondering what other's strategy is when they come across a supercedure cell. Let it happen, split, or cull the cell? Of course, assuming you believe the queen is functioning well.
Title: Re: Supercedure Cell Strategy
Post by: yockey5 on April 28, 2012, 01:15:49 PM
I plan on using mine for splits.
Title: Re: Supercedure Cell Strategy
Post by: duck on April 28, 2012, 01:34:15 PM
the bees know what they are doing.. now if I have a swarm or colony with no queen, I will transfer that frame to them or combine them with another colony that needs bees.
Title: Re: Supercedure Cell Strategy
Post by: jaseemtp on April 28, 2012, 03:18:10 PM
well with a swarm they usually leave with the old queen and replace her once they are safe and secure.  So maybe they are replacing the "old mother" for a daughter.  just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Supercedure Cell Strategy
Post by: AndrewT on April 28, 2012, 08:51:10 PM
I'd leave them alone.
Title: Re: Supercedure Cell Strategy
Post by: iddee on April 28, 2012, 08:59:23 PM
They are going to get rid of the old queen. You can leave the cells, or make the hive queenless, your choice.
Title: Re: Supercedure Cell Strategy
Post by: Sparky on April 28, 2012, 09:32:21 PM
If it were mine i would remove the old queen and put in a nuc with a couple frames of brood from hives other than the parent hive and a frame of drawn comb for her to lay in and a frame each of pollen and honey and let the other hive work it out with the new emerging queens.
Title: Re: Supercedure Cell Strategy
Post by: specialkayme on April 28, 2012, 09:57:20 PM
That's what I was considering Sparky, but I am slightly concerned about the down time inbetween queens. Sometimes with a supercedure situation, the new queen will mate while the old queen is still present and laying, right? That way, the hive wouldn't have a downtime in laying, and wouldn't dwindle in size, since it takes up to three weeks for a queen to hatch, mate, and get to full egg laying status.

Since it's a new swarm (that wasn't on the huge side to start with) size is of vital importance at this stage. But, I guess if numbers get real small I could just add a frame of capped brood from the other hive I just caught :D.
Title: Re: Supercedure Cell Strategy
Post by: Sparky on April 28, 2012, 10:07:23 PM
Are you sure she is still laying ? Make sure you see newer eggs because they might have the wheels in motion for a swarm with the old queen.
Title: Re: Supercedure Cell Strategy
Post by: specialkayme on April 28, 2012, 11:56:52 PM
I still see new eggs. Upright, not close to lying down. Laid anywhere from 1 to 24 hours ago.