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Title: new queens absconded
Post by: jaseemtp on May 18, 2012, 11:37:05 PM
No better way to title it.  I recieved 7 queens the other day, I had made their reciepent hives queenless for 24ish hours before placing the new queens in the hives. I did check them for any E-queen cells and did not notice any.  I was not able to leave the queenless longer because I had to go out of state and did not have any one around to work the bees for me.
The queens were placed the day I left and 4 days later when I returned 4 of the 7 hives were empty.

I am runnin 8 frame medium hives. These were fully functional hives when I removed their queens.  After removing the old queens, I added 1 quart of 2:1 syrup and reduced the entrance down to one bee space.  I an not sure what went wrong or how I fouled it up.  Any thoughts?
I know that idealy they are suppose to be queenless for 48 hours but the time was not allowed to me and I do not think the ladies would have made it 7 days in their cages inside my house.
Title: Re: new queens absconded
Post by: BlueBee on May 18, 2012, 11:51:24 PM
Did you release the queens in the hive after 24 hours or did you put the queens in the hive inside queen cages + candy cap?

Don't know what happened, but is robbing a possibility?  It seems like the house bees are lost without a queen and don't try to defend the hive like they should when the queen is missing.  That + syrup is a open call to robbers.  I agree that 2:1 is less of a dinner bell than 1:1, but robbing might still be a culprit. 

Was there open brood in these hives when you put the queen in?  Bees are really reluctant to leave a hive with open brood.

I assume the hives were not overrun with pests?  I guess there are always other possible explanations too like CCD, but I'm just trying to rule in/out the obvious scenarios.  Sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: new queens absconded
Post by: jaseemtp on May 18, 2012, 11:58:44 PM
I guess robbing could have happened since I was not here to keep an eye on them.  I have been very luck because I have only seen a few mites and beetles.  There was capped brood, but not open since I did not want them to try and raise their own queen.
Title: Re: new queens absconded
Post by: iddee on May 19, 2012, 12:16:33 AM
The way I understand your posts, you removed the queens from fully functional hives and 24 hours later there was no open brood. How could this be?
Title: Re: new queens absconded
Post by: jaseemtp on May 19, 2012, 02:56:53 AM
They were not completely free of uncapped brood, but I did try to keep it to a minimun, by removing the frames that were not mostly capped.  Not sure if that helped or hurt my situtation
Title: Re: new queens absconded
Post by: hoxbar on May 19, 2012, 10:40:23 PM
Why would you not want capped brood in your hive? :?
Title: Re: new queens absconded
Post by: jaseemtp on May 20, 2012, 12:47:34 AM
to try and keep them from raising a queen from their genetics and hope they would be more willing to accept the new one.  Guess I showed them  :?
Title: Re: new queens absconded
Post by: Michael Bush on May 20, 2012, 08:14:51 AM
Bees are much more apt to abscond when they have no open brood... and 24 hours is about perfect for adding a queen.  In 48 they will start emergency cells.  Were the queen cages empty?  Were there dead bees around?
Title: Re: new queens absconded
Post by: jaseemtp on May 20, 2012, 10:01:22 AM
Yes sir the queen cages were empty. There were not any dead bees around,only a few recently emerged workers were inside. I have some old shingles on the ground under and in front of my hives so I can see what is going on and there were no little bee bodies around.