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Title: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: rbinhood on June 09, 2013, 04:45:06 PM
 :? Here is an article on how Monsanto covered up what they were doing to residents of the area around Anniston Alabama.  Now my question to you is do you think they are telling us the truth about GMO's today.

http://www.honeycolony.com/article/the-little-known-toxic-travesty-of-anniston-alabama/ (http://www.honeycolony.com/article/the-little-known-toxic-travesty-of-anniston-alabama/)
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: marktrl on June 09, 2013, 05:31:16 PM
Monsanto never tells the truth about anything.
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: 10framer on June 09, 2013, 05:43:18 PM
where are the footnotes?  every kind of manufacturer has dumped all kinds of stuff into the waterways of the world, it's just cool to hate monsanto right now.  show me an ex employ that can verify that the skin peeled off of the fish and that there was a cover up. this is just some blogger saying this and providing nothing to back it up.  i'm sure this person will help put hillary in office in 2016 even though she is in bed with monsanto.  if gmo's are so bad where are any studies proving it?  the internet plus sheep is a dangerous thing.  i should say that i planted all no gmo seeds this year but i'm not convinced that there is any danger in gmo's.  i like facts and statistics. 
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: Michael Bush on June 10, 2013, 10:43:57 AM
>it's just cool to hate monsanto right now.

I love it when what I have thought for decades finally becomes cool...
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: Arkwood on June 10, 2013, 10:57:54 AM
Quote from: 10framer on June 09, 2013, 05:43:18 PM
  every kind of manufacturer has dumped all kinds of stuff into the waterways of the world, it's just cool to hate monsanto right now. 

Finally! I can now hang out with the cool kids!  8-)
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: Arkwood on June 10, 2013, 11:07:08 AM
Quote from: 10framer on June 09, 2013, 05:43:18 PM
show me an ex employ that can verify that the skin peeled off of the fish and that there was a cover up. this is just some blogger saying this and providing nothing to back it up. 

Monsanto hid Decades of Pollution in Anniston Alabama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M-9istrXrs#ws)

http://www.chemicalindustryarchives.org/dirtysecrets/annistonindepth/intro.asp (http://www.chemicalindustryarchives.org/dirtysecrets/annistonindepth/intro.asp)

http://www.umich.edu/~snre492/Jones/anniston.htm (http://www.umich.edu/~snre492/Jones/anniston.htm)


Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: 10framer on June 10, 2013, 11:49:09 AM
Quote from: Arkwood on June 10, 2013, 11:07:08 AM
Quote from: 10framer on June 09, 2013, 05:43:18 PM
show me an ex employ that can verify that the skin peeled off of the fish and that there was a cover up. this is just some blogger saying this and providing nothing to back it up. 

Monsanto hid Decades of Pollution in Anniston Alabama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M-9istrXrs#ws)

http://www.chemicalindustryarchives.org/dirtysecrets/annistonindepth/intro.asp (http://www.chemicalindustryarchives.org/dirtysecrets/annistonindepth/intro.asp)

http://www.umich.edu/~snre492/Jones/anniston.htm (http://www.umich.edu/~snre492/Jones/anniston.htm)

yeah, no employees in the youtube video, the links in the "chemicalindustryarchives" either take you back to another one of their articles or the server can't find the site.  i'm sure i can pull up some stuff that is generated by pro monsanto groups that is just as skewed in the opposite direction.  people die of cancer every day.  i'm not suggesting that pcbs aren't bad but i'm also not going to take anything i see on the internet as some kind of gospel truth.  how do i know that any of those typed reports are real?  i can get a typewriter type something up then scan it a few times at bad resolution and make it look old.  i just see people believing what they want to believe here.  i'm all for people fighting for what is right but i'm also for people being informed and those links just look like propaganda.  also, i asked for any kind of proof that gmo's do any kind of damage.  still not seeing any proof.  textile mills dumped all kinds of terrible stuff into rivers for a century or more, the auto industry, the coal industry, any industry you can think of has thrown it's trash into the air and water.  show me unbiased evidence and i'll join.  i actually want to see it because monsanto is deep in hillary clinton's pockets and i'd love to see her presidential hopes crushed in 2016.  i'm like mulder in the x files, i want to believe, but i'm not going to let my wants get in the way of my ability to reason.       


Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: Kathyp on June 10, 2013, 12:30:33 PM
i don't know about any of that stuff, but DID YOU KNOW that Monsanto is engineering food to make us sterile!! 
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: RHBee on June 10, 2013, 01:12:17 PM
 :roll:
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: Moots on June 10, 2013, 01:13:54 PM
Quote from: kathyp on June 10, 2013, 12:30:33 PM
i don't know about any of that stuff, but DID YOU KNOW that Monsanto is engineering food to make us sterile!! 

Nicely played!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: Kathyp on June 10, 2013, 01:38:32 PM
 :fishhit:
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: danno on June 10, 2013, 08:28:28 PM
Quote from: kathyp on June 10, 2013, 01:38:32 PM
:fishhit:
LOL I'm way ahead of them
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: danno on June 10, 2013, 08:31:29 PM
Quote from: kathyp on June 10, 2013, 12:30:33 PM
i don't know about any of that stuff, but DID YOU KNOW that Monsanto is engineering food to make us sterile!! 
Maybe replace food stamps with it !!    All you can eat
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: 10framer on June 10, 2013, 09:57:13 PM
Quote from: kathyp on June 10, 2013, 12:30:33 PM
i don't know about any of that stuff, but DID YOU KNOW that Monsanto is engineering food to make us sterile!! 

so the super secret agenda is to do away with the entire species?  or are they keeping the good food for themselves and all the rich republicans?  it only makes sense that they would want less end consumers......wait a minute!
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: Kathyp on June 10, 2013, 10:33:35 PM
Quote
so the super secret agenda is to do away with the entire species?  or are they keeping the good food for themselves and all the rich republicans?  it only makes sense that they would want less end consumers......wait a minute!

i don't know if they would choose the republicans. that's not the type of group chosen for the good stuff in the past.  i don't know....  :-x
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: danno on June 11, 2013, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: kathyp on June 10, 2013, 12:30:33 PM
i don't know about any of that stuff, but DID YOU KNOW that Monsanto is engineering food to make us sterile!! 
This is really going to screw up the news media.   They wont be able to use "its for the children" anymore.  Ten years down the road they will have to say "its for the teenagers"   
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: Arkwood on June 11, 2013, 01:47:55 PM
Quote from: 10framer on June 10, 2013, 09:57:13 PM
Quote from: kathyp on June 10, 2013, 12:30:33 PM
i don't know about any of that stuff, but DID YOU KNOW that Monsanto is engineering food to make us sterile!!  

so the super secret agenda is to do away with the entire species?  or are they keeping the good food for themselves and all the rich republicans?  it only makes sense that they would want less end consumers......wait a minute!

It's class warfare. Those who shop at Wal Mart and the likes get all that good Monsantos food and other wonderful ingredients while those who can pay top dollar for Organic (Shop at Whole Foods and the like) will be able to breed as they can afford to have children and are also smart enough to know to stay away from Monsanto foods...

Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: 10framer on June 11, 2013, 03:54:35 PM
Quote from: Arkwood on June 11, 2013, 01:47:55 PM
Quote from: 10framer on June 10, 2013, 09:57:13 PM
Quote from: kathyp on June 10, 2013, 12:30:33 PM
i don't know about any of that stuff, but DID YOU KNOW that Monsanto is engineering food to make us sterile!!  

so the super secret agenda is to do away with the entire species?  or are they keeping the good food for themselves and all the rich republicans?  it only makes sense that they would want less end consumers......wait a minute!

It's class warfare. Those who shop at Wal Mart and the likes get all that good Monsantos food and other wonderful ingredients while those who can pay top dollar for Organic (Shop at Whole Foods and the like) will be able to breed as they can afford to have children and are also smart enough to know to stay away from Monsanto foods...


it's class warfare perpetrated by the current white house administration (who is in bed with big bad monsanto).  seriously?  if the upper removes the middle and lower class who is going to do all the work?  has monsanto perfected the servant robot or monkey butler?  are they waiting to breed us out of existence before they bring them into production or do the wealthy americans already have them but they aren't telling because they have to be part of the conspiracy after they learn the secret hand shake?  making the poor and middle class go away does nothing to serve the wealthy.  it's laughable to think that anyone would really believe this but even more laughable that a lot of the people that do make fun of all the "NRA gun nuts" that think the government is trying to disarm them.  break out the tinfoil hats!!!!!
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: RHBee on June 11, 2013, 04:00:48 PM
OMG, It's the end of the world as we know it.
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: 10framer on June 11, 2013, 04:08:47 PM
Quote from: Ray Bayless on June 11, 2013, 04:00:48 PM
OMG, It's the end of the world as we know it.

only for us po folks ray
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: RHBee on June 11, 2013, 04:11:13 PM
Rob I'm right there with you.  :-D
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: 10framer on June 11, 2013, 04:15:49 PM
good to see you on the forum ray.  you got kind of quiet for a while there. 
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: RHBee on June 11, 2013, 04:20:40 PM
I've been pretty busy with all this beekeeping and building equipment. It doesn't mean that I haven't been keeping up with all that's been going on though.
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: Arkwood on June 11, 2013, 04:31:45 PM
Quote from: 10framer on June 11, 2013, 03:54:35 PM
Quote from: Arkwood on June 11, 2013, 01:47:55 PM
Quote from: 10framer on June 10, 2013, 09:57:13 PM
Quote from: kathyp on June 10, 2013, 12:30:33 PM
i don't know about any of that stuff, but DID YOU KNOW that Monsanto is engineering food to make us sterile!!  

so the super secret agenda is to do away with the entire species?  or are they keeping the good food for themselves and all the rich republicans?  it only makes sense that they would want less end consumers......wait a minute!

It's class warfare. Those who shop at Wal Mart and the likes get all that good Monsantos food and other wonderful ingredients while those who can pay top dollar for Organic (Shop at Whole Foods and the like) will be able to breed as they can afford to have children and are also smart enough to know to stay away from Monsanto foods...


it's class warfare perpetrated by the current white house administration (who is in bed with big bad monsanto).  seriously?  if the upper removes the middle and lower class who is going to do all the work?  has monsanto perfected the servant robot or monkey butler?  are they waiting to breed us out of existence before they bring them into production or do the wealthy americans already have them but they aren't telling because they have to be part of the conspiracy after they learn the secret hand shake?  making the poor and middle class go away does nothing to serve the wealthy.  it's laughable to think that anyone would really believe this but even more laughable that a lot of the people that do make fun of all the "NRA gun nuts" that think the government is trying to disarm them.  break out the tinfoil hats!!!!!

I was jesting 10framer.   ;)
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: Arkwood on June 11, 2013, 04:34:24 PM
But having said that don't mistake my poking fun as I am taking sides with Monsantos...
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: capt44 on June 11, 2013, 07:37:54 PM
Monsanto or any other group is only going to let you hear what you think you want to hear.
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: 10framer on June 11, 2013, 10:14:36 PM
Quote from: Arkwood on June 11, 2013, 04:34:24 PM
But having said that don't mistake my poking fun as I am taking sides with Monsantos...

well, i'm kind of on the fence when it comes down to it.  i wouldn't put much past them, any big corporation or our government but i have yet to see what i consider compelling evidence that gmo crops are doing any harm.  i see a lot of links articles that are ridiculously biased and no real studies.  i also have lived within an hour of of anniston most of my life and i've never heard anything about the high cancer rate etc.  i think there are a lot of trolls and want to be activists that don't mind spreading propaganda.  and a lot of people that simply want to believe it.  but i really do want my monkey butler. 
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: RHBee on June 11, 2013, 10:25:33 PM
I really think we are heading the way of "Soylent Green" anyway. Sooner or later big population will be our downfall. My father used to tell me the worlds greatest problems were big politics and big population. When I was younger I didn't understand just how bright he was.
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: Arkwood on June 11, 2013, 10:54:13 PM
I understand. I don't trust Government one bit (Cough) Tuskegee syphilis experiment just to quickly name something. When it comes to companies, they are the same in many ways. Monsantos is not going to come out and say, there are side effects unless they are forced and even then we know they will lie if they can.

Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: 10framer on June 12, 2013, 12:02:26 AM
Quote from: Ray Bayless on June 11, 2013, 10:25:33 PM
I really think we are heading the way of "Soylent Green" anyway. Sooner or later big population will be our downfall. My father used to tell me the worlds greatest problems were big politics and big population. When I was younger I didn't understand just how bright he was.

hilarious, i thought about soylent green when i got going on this earlier today. 
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: 10framer on June 12, 2013, 12:07:16 AM
Quote from: Arkwood on June 11, 2013, 10:54:13 PM
I understand. I don't trust Government one bit (Cough) Tuskegee syphilis experiment just to quickly name something. When it comes to companies, they are the same in many ways. Monsantos is not going to come out and say, there are side effects unless they are forced and even then we know they will lie if they can.



i lived half my life really close to tuskegee and still drive through there about once or twice a week for work and i definitely know that story.  i think big brother did a lot of experiments on soldiers over the last 70 or 80 years and has most likely experimented on civilians as well.  we know they don't mind going through our emails and phone records. 
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: RHBee on June 12, 2013, 12:30:15 AM
Think of all the different problems our bees are facing.  Rampant use of insecticide, SHB, varroa all brought about by man. Varroa spread from Aisa, SHB from Africa all from mans intervention.  Natural barriers kept the EHB from these nasties, man brought about the unnatural exposure. Pesticides and GMO foods are simply an attempt to feed the growing population. All we can do is try to help our bees to survive, all we can do is our best. This situation is why I got into beekeeping in the first place.
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: danno on June 12, 2013, 08:26:47 AM
Quote from: Ray Bayless on June 11, 2013, 04:00:48 PM
OMG, It's the end of the world as we know it.
You going to start singing REM Ray?  It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: RHBee on June 12, 2013, 09:55:41 AM
Quote from: danno on June 12, 2013, 08:26:47 AM
Quote from: Ray Bayless on June 11, 2013, 04:00:48 PM
OMG, It's the end of the world as we know it.
You going to start singing REM Ray?  It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine

LMAO,  danno I was hoping someone would pick up on that. I was just trying to lighten the mood of this thread by throwing a little dark humor out there. I'm thinking a more appropriate song for this thread is by Hank Jr., "A Country Boy Can Survive". Do you feel me? :-D
Title: Re: Let Monsanto Decide What is Best for Us.
Post by: danno on June 12, 2013, 10:37:07 AM
It worked for me Ray thanks