Does anyone know the dimensions of Western boxes and frames?
I saw one once many moons ago, but don't have anything to measure
and Google comes up blank.
Isn't a "western" a medium super?
I thought the medium was called the "Illinois" super. :) :) d2
I have seen the term "western" used for mediums (6 5/8" boxes) and for the 7 5/8" boxes. Not sure which you mean. But the 6 5/8" boxes are, on the outside, 6 5/8" x 16 1/4" x 19 7/8" with 6 1/4" deep frames. The 7 5/8" boxes are the same except the depth is 7 5/8" and the frames are 7 1/4".
I've always heard it defined as a 6-5/8 is an 'Illinois' or 'Dadant' depth
and 7-5/8 is 'Western'
Can hardly wait for somebody to start marketing an 8-5/8.........
The only logical sizes for boxes would be:
11 1/4" (10 7/8" frames)
9 1/4" (8 7/8" frames)
7 1/4" (6 7/8" frames)
5 1/2" (5 1/8" frames)
Because this would align with actual standard widths of currently available lumber...
So let's NOT invent another odd width box that does not align with standard lumber sizes...
I'm sure the sizes made sense when a 1 x 10 for instance was actually 9-3/4 to 10 inches back in the 'early days'
I've got a 130-year old house with:
'real' 2 x 4's (130 year old Yellow Pine, eats saw blades and drill bits)
1-7/8 x 3-7/8 '2x4's'
1-3/4 x 3-3/4 '2x4's'
1-5/8 x 3-5/8 '2x4's'
1-1/2 x 3-1/2 '2x4's'
my scrap pile is well stocked with 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2 inch stock for shimming to get things level.....
Yes, back then a one by ten was 9 5/8". An extra shallow was (and is) 4 3/4" which is what you have left after you saw a 9 5/8" board in half... and a shallow was the same as a one by six at the time, which was 5 3/4".