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Title: death to virioa mites
Post by: jayj200 on March 17, 2014, 07:23:27 PM
Bio Control for Varroa Mite on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/63418711)
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: tireman on March 17, 2014, 10:57:21 PM
Interesting video! I wonder if will work in the long run? Is anyone doing any other studies?
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: Bush_84 on March 17, 2014, 11:07:58 PM
There was a big topic on beesource about this last fall.  As far as I know it's being studied in Canada and the uk.  Didn't have time to watch the whole video though.  They claim that they have found viable populations in the long term.  My concern for sure is that their natural environment is the soil and debris.  How could these things live in a hive and how expensive would treatments be.  These things are also quite finicky. 
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: tireman on March 18, 2014, 12:26:00 AM
I'll agree with you on habitat difference between the hive and soil. Also, long term, could they start to prey on the bees? I know with introduction of new plant and animal species to a new habitat that there can be unseen consequences.(Asian carp, and kudzu come to mind)
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: GSF on March 18, 2014, 06:45:16 AM
Isn't it interesting how the behavior of mite invested insects change when these are introduced. They "seek" out mr miles so they will climb aboard, and also how the bees seem to transport m to the brood.

The thing that concerns me is starvation. I know they said they never erased the varora completely. What might happen if the sickly vm contracted a disease and disappeared? Starvation makes animals do strange things. People eat grass and each other as well.
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: Bush_84 on March 18, 2014, 09:06:27 AM
I don't believe these things are capable of being predators of bees.  There's a reason they prey on varroa.  Now eggs a larvae?  Possible I suppose.
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: Leather Jim on March 18, 2014, 10:23:01 AM
They seem to migrate out of the hive once the virioa get down to a certain threshold and return to the ground which is their natural place. This will require retreating.
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: RHBee on March 18, 2014, 10:41:31 AM
I think I might give it a try.
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: BeeMaster2 on March 18, 2014, 01:05:42 PM
Quote from: RHBee on March 18, 2014, 10:41:31 AM
I think I might give it a try.
This is interesting. Let us know if you find a source for it.
Jim
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: KD4MOJ on March 18, 2014, 03:06:54 PM
HHmmm message number 1 is blank for me (no video box).

...DOUG
KD4MOJ
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: RHBee on March 18, 2014, 05:37:07 PM


Quote from: sawdstmakr on March 18, 2014, 01:05:42 PM
Quote from: RHBee on March 18, 2014, 10:41:31 AM
I think I might give it a try.
This is interesting. Let us know if you find a source for it.
Jim
Jim,
I found this site. The price looked reasonable. I'll let you know how it goes.

http://www.evergreengrowers.com/stratiolaelaps-scimitus-womersley-hypoaspis.html (http://www.evergreengrowers.com/stratiolaelaps-scimitus-womersley-hypoaspis.html)

Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: jayj200 on March 18, 2014, 06:34:34 PM
Quote from: KD4MOJ on March 18, 2014, 03:06:54 PM
HHmmm message number 1 is blank for me (no video box).

...DOUG
KD4MOJ

dang try as I did I just could not get the http to stick
jay


Bio Control for Varroa Mite on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/63418711)
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: jayj200 on March 18, 2014, 06:52:19 PM
what I think ya all missed was yes it comes from the ground
It seams to feed on the oodles real pests everywhere!
bed bugs too!
spiders we have a few nasties here! documented
and some real bad ones down under!
it feeds on Nematodes that damage most root crops and the root systems of above ground plants.
this my I call it a product is already licenced in the USA for crops.
and is available NOW.

to get an address for purchase go to palm beach beekeepers association.com/form/mites
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: RHBee on March 18, 2014, 06:56:27 PM
Quote from: jayj200 on March 18, 2014, 06:34:34 PM
Quote from: KD4MOJ on March 18, 2014, 03:06:54 PM
HHmmm message number 1 is blank for me (no video box).

...DOUG
KD4MOJ

dang try as I did I just could not get the
Bio Control for Varroa Mite on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/63418711)
Look up.
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: 2Sox on March 18, 2014, 10:03:55 PM
This is really remarkable!  Has this been put to use here in the US?
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: BeeMaster2 on March 19, 2014, 09:21:17 AM
Quote from: RHBee on March 18, 2014, 05:37:07 PM


Quote from: sawdstmakr on March 18, 2014, 01:05:42 PM
Quote from: RHBee on March 18, 2014, 10:41:31 AM
I think I might give it a try.
This is interesting. Let us know if you find a source for it.
Jim
Jim,
I found this site. The price looked reasonable. I'll let you know how it goes.

http://www.evergreengrowers.com/stratiolaelaps-scimitus-womersley-hypoaspis.html (http://www.evergreengrowers.com/stratiolaelaps-scimitus-womersley-hypoaspis.html)


Thanks
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: Bush_84 on March 19, 2014, 03:54:26 PM
Sounds great in theory, but I'm more interested in what happens in unbiased practice.  There's been a lot of positive feedback........by those pushing this method.  Would be great to see science back their claims.
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: RHBee on March 19, 2014, 04:49:09 PM
Quote from: Bush_84 on March 19, 2014, 03:54:26 PM
Sounds great in theory, but I'm more interested in what happens in unbiased practice.  There's been a lot of positive feedback........by those pushing this method.  Would be great to see science back their claims.
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: Jim134 on March 20, 2014, 02:11:22 AM
Quote from: Bush_84 on March 19, 2014, 03:54:26 PM
Sounds great in theory, but I'm more interested in what happens in unbiased practice.  There's been a lot of positive feedback........by those pushing this method.  Would be great to see science back their claims.

    Unfortunately not all the results are so rosy. "Bee Informed" ran some tests with beekeepers throughout the U.S. last year using Stratiolaelaps mites and the results were not conclusively positive. In some cases there was no benefit, they do not work on heavily infested hives, must be added continuously as there natural home is in the soil and it is expensive.
http://strathconabeekeepers.blogspot.ca/2014/02/bio-control-of-varroa-mites.html (http://strathconabeekeepers.blogspot.ca/2014/02/bio-control-of-varroa-mites.html)

Strathcona Beekeepers: Bio Control of Varroa Mites


           BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: RHBee on March 20, 2014, 11:43:28 AM
Quote from: RHBee on March 19, 2014, 04:49:09 PM
Quote from: Bush_84 on March 19, 2014, 03:54:26 PM
Sounds great in theory, but I'm more interested in what happens in unbiased practice.  There's been a lot of positive feedback........by those pushing this method.  Would be great to see science back their claims.

What I ment to say is...Someone needs to give it a try. I don't see how we can get proper unbiased information without a trial. If I can get a reply to my email requesting more information. I figure to treat half my hives. Then I'll know how effective the treatment is.
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: Carol on March 20, 2014, 01:53:06 PM
Sounds good..hope it doesn't go the way of the Love Bugs that were introduced for mosquitos.
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: GSF on March 20, 2014, 10:52:50 PM
Hey Ray, keep us posted if you experiment. Seems like there should be a way to raise your own.
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: sc-bee on March 21, 2014, 10:05:56 AM
OK Ray ---- so if these things run amuck and invade SC I know who to blame right  :-D Just kidding.....
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: RHBee on March 21, 2014, 10:58:11 AM
Quote from: sc-bee on March 21, 2014, 10:05:56 AM
OK Ray ---- so if these things run amuck and invade SC I know who to blame right  :-D Just kidding.....
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That's just funny. I got an email back from Evergreen Growers. Looks like I'll be going with them. Yeah man you can blame me.
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: BeeMaster2 on March 21, 2014, 12:05:05 PM
Quote from: RHBee on March 21, 2014, 10:58:11 AM
Quote from: sc-bee on March 21, 2014, 10:05:56 AM
OK Ray ---- so if these things run amuck and invade SC I know who to blame right  :-D Just kidding.....
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That's just funny. I got an email back from Evergreen Growers. Looks like I'll be going with them. Yeah man you can blame me.

Yea, you get all of the blame. If it really works out and we all start using it, will he give you the credit.  :-D
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: BeeMaster2 on March 21, 2014, 12:06:55 PM
The quotes are not working properly.
Jim
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: sc-bee on March 21, 2014, 02:58:30 PM
Wonder if these things have been checked on shb larvae that pupate in the soil?
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: RHBee on March 21, 2014, 03:53:42 PM
Quote from: sc-bee on March 21, 2014, 02:58:30 PM
Wonder if these things have been checked on shb larvae that pupate in the soil?

Steve,
I just received an e-mail that stated that these mites also control SHB in the hive. Can't wait to see.

Jim,
I don't want credit just results.

I'm placing an order Monday.
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: Carol on March 21, 2014, 04:47:20 PM
We'll be waiting for your results!!
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: sc-bee on March 22, 2014, 10:37:33 PM
Heck with the mites I rather see them control SHB but a twofer would be nice  :-D
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: RHBee on March 23, 2014, 09:38:11 AM
Quote from: sc-bee on March 22, 2014, 10:37:33 PM
Heck with the mites I rather see them control SHB but a twofer would be nice  :-D

That's what I'm hoping as well.  A twofer.
Title: Re: death to virioa mites
Post by: jayj200 on March 27, 2014, 07:23:41 PM
Quote from: Bush_84 on March 19, 2014, 03:54:26 PM
Sounds great in theory, but I'm more interested in what happens in unbiased practice.  There's been a lot of positive feedback........by those pushing this method.  Would be great to see science back their claims.

Some one else to do all the work. who is the show me state?

I'll lead ya to water this time. will ya drink?

we have showen it is legal in the USA for crops. Start there!

I am not saying put this in a hive.

It is your choise to be brave. or on the cutting edge. so to speek.

jay

if I had the money I would try around the hive. there is already 116 mites that live around bees?