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Title: Wonder why
Post by: JackM on June 01, 2014, 11:33:07 AM
I just looked out the window at my beech tree and there are a lot of bees going from leaf to leaf, not particularly on any one part.  They have plenty of fresh water closer than this tree, the main blackberry flow is just starting, there are oooodles of sources of pollen.  Why are they interested in the beech?  Propolis?
Title: Re: Wonder why
Post by: GSF on June 01, 2014, 08:25:29 PM
Propolis would be my guess. It could be that the tree is dropping some type of nectar/resin/sap like pecans do at times.
Title: Re: Wonder why
Post by: Dallasbeek on June 01, 2014, 08:52:07 PM
That might be aphid honey dew.  Do bees go after that?  I know some ants herd aphids to get the honey dew (aphid excrement, actually;  I guess that's like they call 'em honey wagons in some places). 

Gary
Title: Re: Wonder why
Post by: Kathyp on June 02, 2014, 04:00:14 PM
I'll second the honeydew.  check the trees for sticky residue.

Title: Re: Wonder why
Post by: Dallasbeek on June 02, 2014, 04:16:52 PM
If you find the tree has aphids, pesticides will kill the adults, of course, but then we don't want to use things like Malathion or Seven, do we?  Those things kill bees. 

Look into horticultural oils.  I particularly like neem oil.  A small amount mixed with water ( :soapbox: :hissyfit: THE LABEL DIRECTION ON ANYTHING YOU APPLY TO ANY PLANT, okay? :piano: :soapbox:) will fight not only the adult, but the egg as well, by coating the breathing openings of the adult and preventing oxygen from getting to the egg, killing it.  Neem oil is the only thing I've found to get rid of aphids, whiteflies and most other insects and maybe arachnids (like spider mites).  It is an insecticide, miticide, fungicide and is organic and totally safe.  In India, they even have a toothpaste made with neem oil.  It works only on direct contact, so top and bottom surfaces of leaves have to be saturated.  There's no residual effect, so insects that appear after spraying are not affected

That's my Dallas County Master Gardener contribution for the day.
Title: Re: Wonder why
Post by: Dallasbeek on June 02, 2014, 04:18:40 PM
That should have read "READ AND FOLLOW LABEL INSTRUCTIONS...". Somehow the words got lost

Gary
Title: Re: Wonder why
Post by: Kathyp on June 03, 2014, 01:56:16 AM
where do you buy it? 
Title: Re: Wonder why
Post by: Dallasbeek on June 03, 2014, 09:19:45 AM
Any garden store.  Rose Defense is one name used.  I think Black Flag makes that.  Look at labels until you find one with Neem Oil as the ingrediant.
Title: Re: Wonder why
Post by: marktrl on June 03, 2014, 10:13:06 AM
100% neem oil:
Neem Oil (http://www.bulkapothecary.com/raw-ingredients/bulk-natural-oils/neem-oil/)
Title: Re: Wonder why
Post by: Kathyp on June 03, 2014, 11:46:21 AM
thanks
Title: Re: Wonder why
Post by: Dallasbeek on June 03, 2014, 06:21:25 PM
Pesticides are like pharmaceuticals.  A company can get approval for something to use on roses, but can't say you can use it on vegetables until they get approval for the product for use on vegetables, for example.  So then they have to market it as two products -- one for roses, one for vegetables.  On and on.  The neem oil in Rose Defense is the same as the one in another product the same company markets for vegetables.  Just look for neem oil, then read and follow the label directions.  It's federal law.  Screwy, but that's the way things work.  The company gets to spend more money printing different labels for the same thing, the printer is happy and the USDA is happy.  Just be happy.  Don't Worry.  Something like that, anyway.