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BEEKEEPING LEARNING CENTER => EQUIPMENT USAGE, EXPERIMENTATION, HIVE PLANS, CONSTRUCTION TIPS AND TOOLS => Topic started by: Jim134 on February 28, 2015, 09:49:45 AM

Title: "Flow Hive" Everything old is new again hahaha
Post by: Jim134 on February 28, 2015, 09:49:45 AM
Check out this patent from 1940 for a hive.  :wink:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2223561.pdf



                  BEE HAPPY Jim 134  :smile:
Title: Re: "Flow Hive" Everything old is new again hahaha
Post by: Maggiesdad on February 28, 2015, 10:12:36 AM
ain't nothin' new under the sun!   :wink:
Title: Re: "Flow Hive" Everything old is new again hahaha
Post by: BeeMaster2 on March 01, 2015, 10:42:48 AM
Maybe I am missing something. I do not see how that is even close to the flow hive. Even if it was the same idea, back then it was not possible to build. We did not have the technology to make a frame that could be opened and closed.
Jim
Title: Re: "Flow Hive" Everything old is new again hahaha
Post by: Jim134 on March 01, 2015, 11:22:06 AM
Sawdstmakr
Did you read to see what these combs are made out of ?
At about the same time some manufactures were making foundation out of aluminum.
http://www.dave-cushman.net/bee/alicomb.html

IMO precision tool and has been around for over a hundred years.


     

                     BEE HAPPY Jim 134  :smile:
Title: Re: "Flow Hive" Everything old is new again hahaha
Post by: BeeMaster2 on March 02, 2015, 01:25:11 PM
Jim,
No I did not but the one you showed me would not work like the Flow Hive.
When you look at the patent, do you see more than one single print?
Jim
Title: Re: "Flow Hive" Everything old is new again hahaha
Post by: D Coates on March 02, 2015, 03:40:25 PM
I agree with Jim here... :cheesy:

This is nothing like the flow hive.  These are 2 angled top frames with a peaked one on the bottom.  Nothing about being drainable.
Title: Re: "Flow Hive" Everything old is new again hahaha
Post by: little john on March 02, 2015, 07:37:05 PM
I think you need to actually read the 1940's Patent ...

Figure 6 clearly shows the comb when separated; Figure 3 shows a collection tube feeding into an external container; and so on. The Patent text discusses how the mechanism operates in some detail.

Relative to the Flow-Hive, the 1940's Patent is a far superior design. If the midrib were to be made from rubber with sufficient Shore hardness to prevent the bees from chewing it, yet soft enough to maintain a seal when synthetic combs were pressed against it, this would provide a reliable sealing mechanism which could maintain it's integrity over many years of use and, as a bonus, would also lend itself to cheap, non-precision mass manufacturing techniques.

LJ
Title: Re: "Flow Hive" Everything old is new again hahaha
Post by: Jim134 on March 02, 2015, 07:37:27 PM
      Thank you for your input   little john     
   
      I think you need to actually read the 1940's Patent ...

    There are three pages of prints/illustration  with two pages of explanation what happens is the backside or the midrib (made from rubber with sufficient Shore hardness) of the foundation  lifts up and down and down (opening and closing the back of the cell) the honey drains out the back side of the cell and yes it's is metal aluminum or alloyed.


                 BEE HAPPY Jim 134  :smile:
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