Newbee question again,is. elmers all purpose ok for wedge frames,and should i predrill small holes for nails through top rail down in side rails, bottom rail also
I recommend tite bond type II. don-don
I haven't had bees long enough for the frames to wear out. However, I use Elmer's wood glue. If I get some assembled frames in I put an extra brad through the side bar to the top. Don't know if it helps but it makes me think I done something.
Nailing though the side bar into the top bar does help keep from pulling the top bar off when the bees glue (propolize) the frame ends to the box. :smile:
And titebond is a good all around glue for all beehive component assembly. I have never used the elmers, as I don't do that much woodwork. I just used the titebond because that seemed to be the overwhelming response when I asked that question several years ago.
I have used Elmers, Gorilla wood glue, and titebond II and III. ANY quality wood glue works. The cost difference is negligible, so I usually use titebond III. It really sucks when a frame pulls apart, so I try to make sure that wont happen.
I buy Titebond III by the gallon because it is cheaper that way, it is water resistance and use it on the supers, frames and all other woodworking. I will fill one of my children or a friend's empty glue bottle occasionally and still save money or break even.
I have been using gorilla glue and have not had problems. -Mike
For the frames, any good wood glue will work just fine. For the most part, the frames stay dry. I use titebond II. I have a gallon bottle that is why I use it.
I did put 10 frames, that the SHB larvae had taken over when a hive up and left in early spring, in a bucket of water and left them there for several weeks. I took them out, cleaned off the wax, removed the plasticell and let them dry out and replaced them with re waxed placticell. They are all still in good shape and back in the hives.
Where you really need water proof glue is on the super boxes. They are constantly getting wet form the rain.
That being said, all of my boxes are glued with titebond II and most hold up just fine. I have had unpainted boxes swell up and separate.
Jim
I don't glue them because if a part of the frame brakes or gets damaged you can just replace the broken part. If it's glued you have to toss the frame out and buy a new one.
Elmer's started making their carpenter glue to compete with titebond. while it is a good glue i still use tightbond. tightbond II on frames & tightbond III on boxes. it is also possible to repair frames that have been glued.
Quote from: snowmix on May 21, 2015, 12:51:30 PM
I don't glue them because if a part of the frame brakes or gets damaged you can just replace the broken part. If it's glued you have to toss the frame out and buy a new one.
If it was well glued it would "probably" not have broken. NOT gluing them will result in a lot of pain when the bees DO glue them with their own glue.
Although I am a new beekeeper, I am a experienced woodworker. Use Titebond III--you will never have a problem. I built every component of my 2 hives this winter and used III for everything. Based on the many woodworking project I have done in the past (inside and outside) I can assure you that III is the right glue for your use.
Quote from: halexaron on May 31, 2015, 06:13:32 PM
Although I am a new beekeeper, I am a experienced woodworker. Use Titebond III--you will never have a problem. I built every component of my 2 hives this winter and used III for everything. Based on the many woodworking project I have done in the past (inside and outside) I can assure you that III is the right glue for your use.
I use same and crown staples. If something breaks I use new frame.
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Do frames have to be made of wood ? ?
Quote from: MikeyN.C. on June 01, 2015, 09:54:26 PM
Do frames have to be made of wood ? ?
My husband just put some plastic ones in his supers. It's our first year and he's just trying both.
Was just wondering if frames could be made of some type of metal. ??
Quote from: LuciwhitAR on June 01, 2015, 10:43:21 PM
Quote from: MikeyN.C. on June 01, 2015, 09:54:26 PM
Do frames have to be made of wood ? ?
My husband just put some plastic ones in his supers. It's our first year and he's just trying both.
The plastic ones work great except for one major flaw. They are made with slots in the sides to reduce the amount of plastic and weight. Problem is if you have Small Hive Beetles, SHB, they love them. The plastic frames give them lots and lots of hiding spaces and they thrive in your hive because if they have a place to hide and they can stay in there because they can trick the bees into feeding them.
Jim
Quote from: MikeyN.C. on June 02, 2015, 12:12:31 AM
Was just wondering if frames could be made of some type of metal. ??
They have been made from aluminum in the past. As a mater of fact it was frame and foundation for a system similar to the Flow Hive. But at what cost. Another factor is the weight. You want the lightest material you can find.
When you are trying to lift a 100 pound deep, full super, every ounce of increased weight maker it harder to handle.
Jim
Quote from: sawdstmakr on June 02, 2015, 05:31:18 AM
Quote from: LuciwhitAR on June 01, 2015, 10:43:21 PM
Quote from: MikeyN.C. on June 01, 2015, 09:54:26 PM
Do frames have to be made of wood ? ?
My husband just put some plastic ones in his supers. It's our first year and he's just trying both.
The plastic ones work great except for one major flaw. They are made with slots in the sides to reduce the amount of plastic and weight. Problem is if you have Small Hive Beetles, SHB, they love them. The plastic frames give them lots and lots of hiding spaces and they thrive in your hive because if they have a place to hide and they can stay in there because they can trick the bees into feeding them.
Jim
I got some frames for free and filled the slots with hot melt glue.
Not sure if it was a waste of time though
Quote from: kingd on June 02, 2015, 06:24:30 AM
Quote from: sawdstmakr on June 02, 2015, 05:31:18 AM
Quote from: LuciwhitAR on June 01, 2015, 10:43:21 PM
Quote from: MikeyN.C. on June 01, 2015, 09:54:26 PM
Do frames have to be made of wood ? ?
My husband just put some plastic ones in his supers. It's our first year and he's just trying both.
The plastic ones work great except for one major flaw. They are made with slots in the sides to reduce the amount of plastic and weight. Problem is if you have Small Hive Beetles, SHB, they love them. The plastic frames give them lots and lots of hiding spaces and they thrive in your hive because if they have a place to hide and they can stay in there because they can trick the bees into feeding them.
Jim
I got some frames for free and filled the slots with hot melt glue.
Not sure if it was a waste of time though
We thought about filling the slots with beeswax.
Quote from: LuciwhitAR on June 02, 2015, 05:51:40 PM
Quote from: kingd on June 02, 2015, 06:24:30 AM
Quote from: sawdstmakr on June 02, 2015, 05:31:18 AM
Quote from: LuciwhitAR on June 01, 2015, 10:43:21 PM
Quote from: MikeyN.C. on June 01, 2015, 09:54:26 PM
Do frames have to be made of wood ? ?
My husband just put some plastic ones in his supers. It's our first year and he's just trying both.
The plastic ones work great except for one major flaw. They are made with slots in the sides to reduce the amount of plastic and weight. Problem is if you have Small Hive Beetles, SHB, they love them. The plastic frames give them lots and lots of hiding spaces and they thrive in your hive because if they have a place to hide and they can stay in there because they can trick the bees into feeding them.
Jim
I got some frames for free and filled the slots with hot melt glue.
Not sure if it was a waste of time though
We thought about filling the slots with beeswax.
Quote from: kingd on June 02, 2015, 06:24:30 AM
Quote from: sawdstmakr on June 02, 2015, 05:31:18 AM
Quote from: LuciwhitAR on June 01, 2015, 10:43:21 PM
Quote from: MikeyN.C. on June 01, 2015, 09:54:26 PM
Do frames have to be made of wood ? ?
My husband just put some plastic ones in his supers. It's our first year and he's just trying both.
The plastic ones work great except for one major flaw. They are made with slots in the sides to reduce the amount of plastic and weight. Problem is if you have Small Hive Beetles, SHB, they love them. The plastic frames give them lots and lots of hiding spaces and they thrive in your hive because if they have a place to hide and they can stay in there because they can trick the bees into feeding them.
Jim
I got some frames for free and filled the slots with hot melt glue.
Not sure if it was a waste of time though
Quote from: kingd on June 02, 2015, 06:24:30 AM
Quote from: sawdstmakr on June 02, 2015, 05:31:18 AM
Quote from: LuciwhitAR on June 01, 2015, 10:43:21 PM
Quote from: MikeyN.C. on June 01, 2015, 09:54:26 PM
Do frames have to be made of wood ? ?
My husband just put some plastic ones in his supers. It's our first year and he's just trying both.
The plastic ones work great except for one major flaw. They are made with slots in the sides to reduce the amount of plastic and weight. Problem is if you have Small Hive Beetles, SHB, they love them. The plastic frames give them lots and lots of hiding spaces and they thrive in your hive because if they have a place to hide and they can stay in there because they can trick the bees into feeding them.
Jim
I got some frames for free and filled the slots with hot melt glue.
Not sure if it was a waste of time though
Quote from: kingd on June 02, 2015, 06:24:30 AM
Quote from: sawdstmakr on June 02, 2015, 05:31:18 AM
Quote from: LuciwhitAR on June 01, 2015, 10:43:21 PM
Quote from: MikeyN.C. on June 01, 2015, 09:54:26 PM
Do frames have to be made of wood ? ?
My husband just put some plastic ones in his supers. It's our first year and he's just trying both.
The plastic ones work great except for one major flaw. They are made with slots in the sides to reduce the amount of plastic and weight. Problem is if you have Small Hive Beetles, SHB, they love them. The plastic frames give them lots and lots of hiding spaces and they thrive in your hive because if they have a place to hide and they can stay in there because they can trick the bees into feeding them.
Jim
I got some frames for free and filled the slots with hot melt glue.
Not sure if it was a waste of time though
They will probably work just fine now.
If the bees do not build wax on them just take a block of wax, rub it in a heated pan from rma few seconds and wipe it across the foundation. Do this on both sides of the frames.
Jim