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Title: Foundationless frames - South Florida
Post by: KeyLargoBees on May 16, 2015, 11:54:44 AM
Any opinions on using Foundation less frames in the heat we have in south Florida? I would like to transition to them but am concerned with heat issues.
Title: Re: Foundationless frames - South Florida
Post by: Dallasbeek on May 16, 2015, 01:53:07 PM
The bees do a pretty good job of regulating the heat inside the hive.  They use foundationless in Africa, after all, so Florida should work, as it does in South Texas.
Title: Re: Foundationless frames - South Florida
Post by: tjc1 on May 16, 2015, 11:57:04 PM
If you string the frames with monofilament they will build on/around that and it offers a lot of extra support, especially if you are spinning honey from them.
Title: Re: Foundationless frames - South Florida
Post by: BeeMaster2 on May 17, 2015, 12:47:27 AM
You can also add pins on the sides to help support the wax.
Jim
Title: Re: Foundationless frames - South Florida
Post by: OldMech on May 17, 2015, 10:36:01 AM
105 here once in a while during the summer, and my bees seem to do fine with foundation-less..  However, I only use medium boxes. (6 5/8)
Title: Re: Foundationless frames - South Florida
Post by: Michael Bush on May 17, 2015, 07:09:21 PM
It was in the upper 110s F one summer in Western Nebraska.  A week of 100+ F is not unusual here.  I have no issues as long as I'm wise enough not to try to work a hive with new comb in it on a hot day where the wax gets soft from the excessive heat.  The bees keep the inside 93 F.  But once you open it up on a 100+ F day, the inside rises quickly to that outside temps and then the wax gets very soft...
Title: Re: Foundationless frames - South Florida
Post by: KeyLargoBees on May 18, 2015, 10:13:15 AM
Thanks for the input folks!!!

Any thoughts on solid bottom bars or using standard frames with grooves and wedging the tops as a guide?

With the reported frequency of SHB in south florida having that groove on the bottom might give them a place to hide but I have seen some forum discussions on other boards that poo poo the idea of needing a solid bottom bar and others that swear by it...........conflicting info is frustrating ;-)
Title: Re: Foundationless frames - South Florida
Post by: Michael Bush on May 18, 2015, 11:45:14 AM
>Any thoughts on solid bottom bars or using standard frames with grooves and wedging the tops as a guide?

I like solid bottom bars if I can get them.  Kelley makes them.  Their Type F frames will work nicely and have no groove.