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Title: Mix of foundation / foundationless...
Post by: Ghost on July 09, 2015, 02:17:04 AM
I have been reading encouraging posts on going foundationless as a way to deal with mites.
I have heard a way to start with foundationless frames is to put one in between two foundation frames.

This got me thinking:

Even if one doesn't want to go completely foundationless - couldn't this method be employed for mite control?

A few foundationless frames in the boxes would lower the mite population wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Mix of foundation / foundationless...
Post by: biggraham610 on July 09, 2015, 02:50:53 AM
If you put a foundationless frame in between 2 frames of Drawn foundation, it will work as a guide. If you put it in between 2 frames with sheets, you are likely to get extra thick comb since they would rather build FL than the foundation they will overdraw into the space. As far as the mites, I think the idea is natural cell size. Letting the bees build what they want, I'm not sure what effect it would have mixing in that regard. sure it couldn't hurt but why try half measures? Once you have some comb drawn, it is just as easy to continue without foundation. G
Title: Re: Mix of foundation / foundationless...
Post by: Ghost on July 09, 2015, 03:02:40 AM
Yea this would be between two drawn frames.

I realize some people don't like the idea of going completely foundationless (although it's something I'm going to try in at least one of my hives).

I'm simply wondering if have a few foundationless  frames in the boxes would help with mite control.
Purely scientific curiosity. :)

Title: Re: Mix of foundation / foundationless...
Post by: Michael Bush on July 09, 2015, 08:22:00 AM
If large cells give a reproductive advantage to Varroa why would you want any of it?
Title: Re: Mix of foundation / foundationless...
Post by: Ghost on July 09, 2015, 06:58:24 PM
I understand the foundationless argument. I'd like to try a foundationless hive myself (which I will be doing in the spring).

For the purpose of this post, I'm strictly wondering if introducing some foundationless frames along side frames with foundation would effectively lower the mite population.

I am wondering if even a few frames of foundationless could help minimize treating bees for those who don't want to go completely foundationless for whatever their reasons may be.