http://personalliberty.com/epa-forced-to-admit-neonicotinoids-killing-bees/
"The EPA?s Assistant Administrator Jim Jones noted that if nectar brought to a bee hive contains 25 parts per billion of imadacloprid, ?there is a significant effect? on the hive?s vitality. It can lead to less honey, fewer bees and a ?less robust hive.?"
I am willing to bet the 25 parts per Billion will eventually be down to about 6 parts per billion due to the reports that I have read that talk about how much it takes to affect the nervous system of bees.
When you consider the fact that while planting the seeds, the contaminated powder used in getting the seeds through the planters, is spread far and wide in dust clouds.
We know our bees will at times bring in powder they find in the field, straight into the hives.
It is no supprize that we are loosing bees left and right.
Jim
Where is the actual report that supports the claim? I see some snips that support the OP's claim.
"The EPA's Assistant Administrator Jim Jones noted that if nectar brought to a bee hive contains 25 parts per billion of imadacloprid, there is a significant effect on the hive's vitality. It can lead to less honey, fewer bees and a less robust hive."
"If" (underlined by me) is the HUGE point here. But they don't say where bees can get "nectar" with this high of a level of imadacloprid. Nor if how long they've got to be exposed and if this is realistic. Is this what they found when they feed imadacloprid laced syrup directly to bees in volumes that don't exist in the real world? There's no linked study and that makes my BS radar howl.
There's also some very clear pseudo journalism being shown. "Under pressure from Big Agriculture, the Food and Drug Administration and the EPA have long resisted efforts to link neonics to diminishing pollinator populations."
This looks like agenda driven garbage being made to look like a news article. For the low information person it would appear to be a smoking gun. In reality it's propaganda for the low information to parrot without actually realizing they're being used.
The OP's making no claims, nor did he write the article. Just a link to an article, so no need for the rudeness.
He's not being rude [ D Coates, Kathyp, and Maggiesdad are know it all's when you say Neonicotinoids they all seem to get bent out of shape and blow a gasket just saying.
Thanks for the info Stung
It is good that he provided the link but I don't wait for the EPA's blessing to figure out the obvious. Neonicotinoids kill everything if very small doses. I don't think Monsanto or Bayer thought about the dust problem before it was discovered. There wasn't any dust in the laboratory when they did their experiments.
Quote from: stung again on January 28, 2016, 09:14:10 PM
The OP's making no claims, nor did he write the article. Just a link to an article, so no need for the rudeness.
Who's being rude? I'm going by how the OP titled the thread. I read the article with an open mind and found it to be full of 1/2 truths and clear bias. If someone want's to take this article as gospel, that's their call. I'm pointing out the obvious flaws. No gasket being blown.
Tommy. I don't know it all and I'll be the first to point this out. The shot was uncalled for.
The article is the same sort of pseudonews you see posted to Facebook and other social media outlets. I regularly get flamed on other forums and venues for pointing out the lack of credibility on these things.....so DCoates....good on ya mate ;-)
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News is no longer vetted by editors before its published since for the most part bloggers (most likely where this originated) self publish...so one persons opinion or belief can be spun out into a written piece and made to look like true journalism....if you're on this site (Beemaster) ....its pretty miuch a given you love bees. Just because we don't all subscribe to the chicken little conspiracy theory mind set doesn't make us bad people....just discerning consumers of "news" :cheesy:
Hoping to shed some light here without the heat, here is the EPA's own press release:
http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/d0cf6618525a9efb85257359003fb69d/63e7fb0e47b1aa3685257f320050a7e3!OpenDocument
And, at risk of possible inflamation, some observations on the assessment by a group promoting invertebrate conservation (not just bees); I have no attachment/connection to this, it just came up in a web search, and I found their critique of EPA's process of interest (not saying it's right, I'm not a scientist). You will note that they include at the top, the link to the EPA release:
http://www.xerces.org/blog/epa-preliminary-risk-assessment-for-the-neonicotinoid-insecticide-imidacloprid/