When do you do one rather than the other? My nuc that has failed to get a queen going will need to be combined with my other hive. I was planning on doing the newspaper combine, but is there some reason it would be better to do a shake out?
The scenariol give I have used both. It really depends on the situation. Are these bees in my backyard or are they and hour from the house.? For me each situation is judged and handled differently.
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If laying workers have started laying it might not be good to newspaper combine. If the queen was a drone layer it might make a differrence. I combined 2 swarms and believe both had queens. There may be some risk in that but it seems to have worked out for me.
I am new so take anything I write with a grain of salt.
Good luck
gww
How much time do you have before last flow or cold weather ? I've done shake out it's not pleasing to the eye, screen combine has worked for me , if ya have enough time and works well
Excuse my ignorance but what is a newspaper combine.
Quote from: flyboy on August 08, 2016, 04:53:59 PM
Excuse my ignorance but what is a newspaper combine.
You take the inner cover off the Queenright hive, and place a piece of newspaper over the top box. Then just place the queenless boxes on top of that. By the time the bees chew through the newspaper they will be one hive.
Quote from: flyboy on August 08, 2016, 04:53:59 PM
Excuse my ignorance but what is a newspaper combine.
It's been my experience you're much better off to put the queen right hive on top. Of the Queenless hive. The same thing holds true weak hive on the bottom. Strong hive on the top.
https://youtu.be/voxPI0eTQus
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For laying workers, I would shake them out. For a weak little hive combined with a strong hive, I'd shake them out. For a more even combine, I would use the newspaper.
Michael - for a weak/strong hive combo, you'd shake out the weaker hive, right? - and let them beg to join the stronger one?
> for a weak/strong hive combo, you'd shake out the weaker hive, right? - and let them beg to join the stronger one?
Yes. It's simple and is least likely to end poorly.
So Michael, use the weak queen as an olive in a vodka martini and add any brood into the strong hive?
In a shake out, how is it that the other hive doesn't react as if being invaded by robbers?
>In a shake out, how is it that the other hive doesn't react as if being invaded by robbers?
Robbers come in like robbers... beggers come in like beggers...
>So Michael, use the weak queen as an olive in a vodka martini and add any brood into the strong hive?
Vodka or everclear or rubbing alcohol to make swarm lure... if you can find her and if you know which is the weaker queen... if you shake the out in front of the hive you wish to combine them with, the queen will get stopped at the door and you should be able to get her...
I'm I missing something here the newspaper com. takes 3 days right with still the possibility of queen rite hive losing the queen ? Where as you use screen comb. over a 7 day period to recognize a strong queen, what am I missing here, if I have 100 hives a can consider a shake out, but if I'm working with 4 hives and have a weak hive I'll continue to comb. this way .I'm trying my best
OK, now it's my turn! Can you describe the screen combine?
The screen combine uses a double screen board to allow the pheromones to mix. http://honeybeesuite.com/uses-of-a-double-screen-board/ (http://honeybeesuite.com/uses-of-a-double-screen-board/)
I like the idea and functions of a double screen or Snelgrove board, but haven't obtained one yet. Unless I want the bees to end up in a specific box I find a shake out much quicker. I generally don't shake complete boxes unless I'm doing a Taranov split. However, I'm getting ready to do some to get them on new equipment. And, I have a laying worker hive that I'll shake if they kill the queen cells I just gave them.
>I'm I missing something here the newspaper com. takes 3 days right with still the possibility of queen rite hive losing the queen ?
Yes.
> Where as you use screen comb. over a 7 day period to recognize a strong queen
I would say 14 days to be safe, but 7 may be enough.
>, what am I missing here, if I have 100 hives a can consider a shake out, but if I'm working with 4 hives and have a weak hive I'll continue to comb. this way .
It doesn't matter how many hives. The screen works because the smell of the open brood sets back the laying workers and the queen's smell is now familiar to the queenless part.
Thanks MB, I'm a newbeek had a LW hive last yr. iddee explained to me, if caught early enough it can be used to your on personal benefit with only a few hives and worked, we used a innercover with a 6x6 hole stapled screen door wire ( ya can use screen door wire instead of innercover) LW hive over Q rite hive for 7 days ( LW hive with upper entrance) after 7 to 12 days inspect LW hive if they have smelled the strong queen they'll stop laying , and that's what you look for double eggs if you don't have any then remove screen and close off top entrance and combine, check in a week and see if ya need to reduce size of box, drones from LW will be gone .
I should have said this works if you have time in the year to do this , where as a shake out is automatic.
A pollinating beekeeper is soon moving his beehives away from a nearby farm. Last year when he left there were about 5 gallons of bees where his hives used to be. Last year they slowly died in a pile of bees. Is there anything to be done with the left behind bees. Such as adding them to my hives or putting eggs and brood in a new hive and let them raise a new queen or is it too late? This is in west Texas.
In June (I think) someone posted about this here, and I was going to try it on the cranberry bogs here, but it didn't work out. As I recall, the idea is to bring a box or two with frames and/or comb and a frame of brood including some eggs (to anchor the new bees to the hive and so they can raise some queens), and come back in a couple of days. I suppose a frame of honey would sweeten the deal if you had it to spare. The OP warned that the bees out in the open can be feeling pretty ornery, so be prepared the first time when you drop the boxes off.
A local beek I talked to about this idea expressed concern about the possibility of bringing new bee ailments from out-of-area bees into your yard to infect your other bees...
Check YouTube for record swarm catch. If you do this either have new premated and caged qweens. It will take to long for them to raise a qween. Plus 25.00 per hive is cheap. Five gal in f bees can give you five great hives.
Five hives 600.00
Five qweens 125.00
Win win chicken dinner
John
628dirtrooster on you tube has a great video where he came in behind a pollinator. It was unreal the number of hives he got out of it. They had a caged queen for each hive also.
Something you might like to watch. Unofficially the world's largest swarm bees.
https://youtu.be/CpXTK0E7Gco
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