I can't afford a fumigater for oxalic and formic acid what me what methods are there for varroa population controll
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My method is to trap feral swarms and let the bees take care of the mite population.
Very inexpensive.
Jim
I didn't get it explain
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I do not treat my bees at all, I haven't since I started beekeeping in 2010.
Jim
Look up Michael Bush. He wrote The Practical Beekeeper. He also has all the info on his website. The book is a good investment.
Jim
I can't afford this book,perheps you might tell some details about feral bees
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What is a feral bee
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You don't need to buy it. The entire book is on his site. It just is not in a book format.
If you want bees that can take care of themselves, come spring, set out swarm traps and hope you collect feral swarms. You can also do cutouts and remove old feral hives and get paid for it.
Jim
I still couldn't get the idea, why collect some swarm of feral, whats the point in that
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vicken
I beleive wood bleach is cheep. Look here for application methods. Look all over theis site for ideals.
http://scientificbeekeeping.com/oxalic-dribble-tips/
I hope this helps with what you want to do.
Good luck
gww
Thanks brother though you didn't tell me about feral bees, I'm sorry for my complain, you might be busy, thanks a lot, I'll see this Link
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Here's Michael's website/book;
http://bushfarms.com/bees.htm
Vicken, feral means domestic gone wild. Feral bees are bees that have escaped into the wild and are living on their own. If your bees swarm and take up in a hollow tree, they are then feral bees They live without any treatment, so some people believe they will also live in a hive without treatment, so they try and capture them during swarming season in the spring.
vicken
QuoteThanks brother though you didn't tell me about feral bees, I'm sorry for my complain, you might be busy, thanks a lot, I'll see this Link
No I just tried to answer your original question. I have an off subject question that I have been dieing to ask somebody. Where all the post end with "Sent from my D6502 using Tapatalk" Can this funtion be dissabled or is everyone required to send out advertisements that use one of these phones. I would hate to pay for the privilage to advertise for some one. I am not from the modern era and have no beef but am curious. I think iddee got to your feral question pretty good.
Good luck
gww
>I can't afford this book
It's all here and you can read it for free:
http://www.bushfarms.com/bees.htm
Thanks a lot for the information, I got it, you want me to raise collonies from the wild which have survived deaseses, speacially parasites
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Now you understand.
Jim
keep in mind that location matters a great deal when we think of the qualities of a swarm. If you are in an area with multiple kept hives, your swarms may not be very "feral." They may have come from your neighbor's box. I caught a marked queen in a swarm trap a couple of years ago.
I'm seeing oxalic acid vaporizors on amazon for around $80. That's a lot cheaper than many other treatments over the course of a few years, depending on the number of hives you have to treat.
I have had great success treating 34 colonies with attached device
an 8oz can with one end and contents removed,
church key or pocket knife,
wide mouth Mason jar lid,
two 1/4" x 2-1/2" dowels,
wood stilt 2" tall by 1-1/2" x 1-1/2" square,
beeswax tea-light candle,
doses of OA.
Punch 2 holes in can with church key, see attached for locations, place 2" x 1/4" spacers inside of mason jar lid
(i hot glued my kits), see attached for locations, those spacers provide a gap for an oxygen intake, place stilt 2" tall by 1-1/2" x 1-1/2" in center of mason jar lid (hot glue), see attached, place tea-light candle on stilt.
Apply OA dose to top of can, light candle, place can on top of candle, cover hive and seal. As it will take a minute or so for the burner to reach vaporization temperature one will have time seal hive and leave area and/or move upwind to the next hive.
One may use an empty Super for the shim allowing a space for the placement of vaporizer unit in the hive.
Notes 315 degrees (F) to vaporize OA. 1) wick needs to be cut longer, 3/8" +, than usual as we are not interested in
efficiently we want heat. 2) flame tip needs to be within apx 1/4" of can's surface with that spacers under the
candle, penny etc, may be necessary to tweak height of the candle for proper temperature at burner as candle burns down.
***Please always keep in mind one does not want to inhale any Oxalic Acid (OA) fumes***
Stay Upwind
What are this brownish sticks under the candle, and that paper like thing undernith, can a candle reach 315 degrees Celsius, sorry for my question, but i have no idea about the whole procedure, can u clearify things a little bit, I would be grateful
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gww, I do think that can be disabled. It's the same when it says 'sent from my iphone'. I deleted that on mine. You can go into settings, then mail, contacts, etc, then find signature. The companies put that text as standard but you can erase or change it.
Mt bee girl
I am low tech and still don't have a smart phone or data plan. I was just curious if it could be dissabled cause it would bug me if I ever get one. Thanks for answering my off topic question.
gww
So, are you putting this thing on the top of the hive inside and empty super?
use empty super for spacer and place vaporizer inside empty super and directly on brood chamber frames. Note the use of 11 frame brood chamber in this example.
Can i treat with a syringe oxalic or formic acid with sugar syrup, i saw a video on the internet where one used a syringe and sprayed formic AZ cid inbetween frames over the bees, what consantrate of formic acid to use then ? And is it affective?
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Dribble method has not proved to be as effective, but you can read a lot about it on Randy Oliver's website. I think it's called Scientific Beekeeping. There's a lot of good info about a lot of things on his website. Read everything there and on Michael Bush's website and you'll have a pretty good education about bees and beekeeping.
Quote from: tjc1 on November 04, 2016, 10:04:06 PM
So, are you putting this thing on the top of the hive inside and empty super?
yes and then put cover back on hive
Quote from: gww on November 01, 2016, 04:17:07 PM
vicken
QuoteThanks brother though you didn't tell me about feral bees, I'm sorry for my complain, you might be busy, thanks a lot, I'll see this Link
No I just tried to answer your original question. I have an off subject question that I have been dieing to ask somebody. Where all the post end with "Sent from my D6502 using Tapatalk" Can this funtion be dissabled or is everyone required to send out advertisements that use one of these phones. I would hate to pay for the privilage to advertise for some one. I am not from the modern era and have no beef but am curious. I think iddee got to your feral question pretty good.
Good luck
gww
I think mine makes the signature too? i use a free app "tapatalk" on my phone. Given the format and screen size it beats the tar out of using the website. Easy to post pics too, one step. If it adds a sig to "advertise" I don't have a problem, unless you find it very offensive?
Yes2...
QuoteIf it adds a sig to "advertise" I don't have a problem, unless you find it very offensive?
No it doesn't offend me too bad. I was mostly just curious. If I had it I would probly disable it if I was smart enough to disable it but I don't really care. It is like everything else, I mostly just wanted to know what the deal is. Who knows, I might move into the future someday and like to know how things work.
Cheers
gww
Quote from: ScooterTrash on November 03, 2016, 09:45:56 PM
I have had great success treating 34 colonies with attached device
an 8oz can with one end and contents removed,
church key or pocket knife,
wide mouth Mason jar lid,
two 1/4" x 2-1/2" dowels,
wood stilt 2" tall by 1-1/2" x 1-1/2" square,
beeswax tea-light candle,
doses of OA.
Punch 2 holes in can with church key, see attached for locations, place 2" x 1/4" spacers inside of mason jar lid
(i hot glued my kits), see attached for locations, those spacers provide a gap for an oxygen intake, place stilt 2" tall by 1-1/2" x 1-1/2" in center of mason jar lid (hot glue), see attached, place tea-light candle on stilt.
Apply OA dose to top of can, light candle, place can on top of candle, cover hive and seal. As it will take a minute or so for the burner to reach vaporization temperature one will have time seal hive and leave area and/or move upwind to the next hive.
One may use an empty Super for the shim allowing a space for the placement of vaporizer unit in the hive.
Notes 315 degrees (F) to vaporize OA. 1) wick needs to be cut longer, 3/8" +, than usual as we are not interested in
efficiently we want heat. 2) flame tip needs to be within apx 1/4" of can's surface with that spacers under the
candle, penny etc, may be necessary to tweak height of the candle for proper temperature at burner as candle burns down.
***Please always keep in mind one does not want to inhale any Oxalic Acid (OA) fumes***
Stay Upwind
dial in heat/flame with heat gun from Big Box store, heat gun may also be used to do energy audit of home ( checking for leaks) faulty circuit breakers or cats like chasing the laser dot. Very inexpensive tool/toy
also great for locating hives in walls before doing removals.
john
Quote from: ScooterTrash on November 06, 2016, 06:33:42 PM
Quote from: tjc1 on November 04, 2016, 10:04:06 PM
So, are you putting this thing on the top of the hive inside and empty super?
yes and then put cover back on hive
I thought that the vapor was supposed to rise through the bottom of the hive and be fanned upwards and through the upper boxes by the bees. How does the vapor get down to the bottom of the hive with this method?
Quote from: divemaster1963 on November 07, 2016, 12:50:38 AM
also great for locating hives in walls before doing removals.
john
and significantly cheaper than thermal imagery camera
Quote from: tjc1 on November 07, 2016, 09:06:15 PM
Quote from: ScooterTrash on November 06, 2016, 06:33:42 PM
Quote from: tjc1 on November 04, 2016, 10:04:06 PM
So, are you putting this thing on the top of the hive inside and empty super?
yes and then put cover back on hive
I thought that the vapor was supposed to rise through the bottom of the hive and be fanned upwards and through the upper boxes by the bees. How does the vapor get down to the bottom of the hive with this method?
a vapor/gas that moves throughout the hive ( block entrance and screened bottom board if used also note OA may have a negative effect on the average screen in a bottom board.
I read somewhere that once the OA was in the hive the bees started fanning to get it out. With the hive shut up all it did was circulate through the hive, thus covering more area.