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Title: November final OAV treatment - unpleasant surprise
Post by: tjc1 on November 07, 2016, 09:01:31 PM
After three OAV applications a week apart in early October, I noted that one hive was still showing regular drops of mites on the bottom board, so I decided to give them one more (now broodless) treatment going into winter. Over 60 hours, they dropped 517 mites. Yikes! I was surprised to see so many after the October round of treatments - I wouldn't have thought that there would be much capped brood left in October for the mites to be hiding among.
Title: Re: November final OAV treatment - unpleasant surprise
Post by: GSF on November 08, 2016, 08:07:33 AM
Could it be a bad batch of OA? ...if there is such a thing.
Title: Re: November final OAV treatment - unpleasant surprise
Post by: Hops Brewster on November 08, 2016, 12:58:32 PM
Phoretic mites that came out with the last of the brood emergence.?  And/or mites brought back from your bees' robbing raids on other colonies.
Title: Re: November final OAV treatment - unpleasant surprise
Post by: tjc1 on November 09, 2016, 07:39:26 PM
Same container of OA used for all treatments.

More mites dropping:
- next 24 hr period = 317,
- last 24 hrs = 228!

These mites are all black - someone asked me earlier in the year whether the mites that I was seeing were old or young mites , and I hadn't realized there was a color difference - most at that time were brown, so I'm guessing that these are older adult mites.

One other thought - when the weather was warmer I always found ants wandering on the bottom board. I watched them to see if they picked up mites (which I've heard it said they do) but never saw them take one. But maybe they were in October - the mite drops were much smaller for those treatments (ca 150 over 4 days).   
Title: Re: November final OAV treatment - unpleasant surprise
Post by: tjc1 on November 12, 2016, 06:53:07 PM
Still dropping mites! over the last three days, about 50 per day.
Title: Re: November final OAV treatment - unpleasant surprise
Post by: Dabbler on November 12, 2016, 08:27:53 PM
Could your bees be robbing a mite infested hive?
Title: Re: November final OAV treatment - unpleasant surprise
Post by: tjc1 on November 13, 2016, 02:29:43 PM
Interesting thought. It has been pretty warm so the bees have still been out, even coming back with Pollen, so I suppose it could be possible. On the other hand, the hive weight has been dropping which you would expect during a warm early winter, which might indicate that they aren't bringing in much in the way of nectar - or robbed honey.
Title: Re: November final OAV treatment - unpleasant surprise
Post by: davers on November 16, 2016, 11:42:07 AM
Does it matter if you do the OAV treatment in the morning when the bees are clustered or in the afternoon when it warms and the bees are flying?
Title: Re: November final OAV treatment - unpleasant surprise
Post by: tjc1 on November 16, 2016, 08:55:43 PM
Ideally you try to treat all of the bees when they are inside the hive, as OAV can only kill mites that are on adult bees - it does not kill mites that are inside cells with capped brood.
Title: Re: November final OAV treatment - unpleasant surprise
Post by: Michael Bush on November 17, 2016, 05:10:43 PM
>These mites are all black

Mites are cordovan.  Or, if you will, purplish brown.  They are not black.  The immature ones are white.
Title: Re: November final OAV treatment - unpleasant surprise
Post by: tjc1 on November 17, 2016, 08:20:10 PM
Hi Michael,

Well, the summer mites were dark brown to tan in color, but these are all very, very dark verging on black - but I guess they could be that purplish brown in strong light.
Title: Re: November final OAV treatment - unpleasant surprise
Post by: 10framer on November 24, 2016, 11:57:36 PM
are you looking at mites or hive beetles?
Title: Re: November final OAV treatment - unpleasant surprise
Post by: tjc1 on November 25, 2016, 06:01:55 PM
Yeah, mites for sure. I only rarely see a hive beetle, but I know what they look like, too!