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Title: Can the queen be caged somewhere to stop her from laying eggs to break brood pattern
Post by: Vicken on November 09, 2016, 12:16:35 PM
Could brood pattern be broken by some mean to control varroa mites

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Title: Re: Can the queen be caged somewhere to stop her from laying eggs to break brood pattern
Post by: herbhome on November 09, 2016, 01:17:09 PM
One way to break mite life cycle is to make a split with the queen to a new hive. Let the old hive raise a new queen.
Also I have seen schemes where the queen is removed from the hive to a queen castle, while the hive raises a new queen...and so forth. Lots of different plans to achieve the same result/
Title: Re: Can the queen be caged somewhere to stop her from laying eggs to break brood pattern
Post by: Michael Bush on November 09, 2016, 01:43:14 PM
If you remove the queen two weeks before the main flow you'll make more honey and get a brood break while they raise a new young queen.
Title: Re: Can the queen be caged somewhere to stop her from laying eggs to break brood pattern
Post by: Vicken on November 09, 2016, 02:20:11 PM
Thanks for the info I appreciate these precious information

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Title: Re: Can the queen be caged somewhere to stop her from laying eggs to break brood pattern
Post by: jalentour on November 09, 2016, 10:30:40 PM
How do you know when it is 2 weeks before the main flow?
Title: Re: Can the queen be caged somewhere to stop her from laying eggs to break brood pattern
Post by: gww on November 09, 2016, 10:45:25 PM
From jv
QuoteHow do you know when it is 2 weeks before the main flow?

I would like to figure the signs to know this also.  I hear lots mentioned about apple bloom time and my fruit trees bloom at around the end of frost.  Could that be a guide?
Thanks
gww
Title: Re: Can the queen be caged somewhere to stop her from laying eggs to break brood pattern
Post by: Dabbler on November 10, 2016, 08:09:04 AM
Quote from: jvalentour on November 09, 2016, 10:30:40 PM
How do you know when it is 2 weeks before the main flow?

Doesn't growing degree days give you in indication of this ?
Title: Re: Can the queen be caged somewhere to stop her from laying eggs to break brood pattern
Post by: Michael Bush on November 10, 2016, 09:12:56 AM
>How do you know when it is 2 weeks before the main flow?

You get out your crystal ball... or you track it every year until you know when the main flow USUALLY happens and go with that or adjust that to how early the first fruit trees bloomed this year...
Title: Re: Can the queen be caged somewhere to stop her from laying eggs to break brood pattern
Post by: stanisr on November 10, 2016, 03:45:37 PM
Michael, I have done this for a few years with great success. But I never have hit the peak flow just right. If I could it would be wonderful. I can attest that the amount of honey increases significantly in the hives that are rearing a new queen. So with all that said, where can one get a genuine crystal ball?  :wink:
Title: Re: Can the queen be caged somewhere to stop her from laying eggs to break brood pattern
Post by: gww on November 10, 2016, 10:48:30 PM
Michael bush
When is "your: main flow in relationship to your fruit tree blooms.  Three weeks later then fruit tree bloom (rough estimate)?
I am just trying to get a small grasp untill I get some years behind my belt.  I think mel distlekamp, or how ever you spell it,  Does his notching of comb at around march 7th to get queen cells.  I realize this is for his area.  My fruit trees usually bloom at the very end of march to the first part of april in my area.  I am guessing that fruit trees are earlier then the start of the main flow.  I caught two swarms during the first week of may and I am guessing due to the swarming that this was somewhere during the main flow.  I have noticed the above but am not sure what the above means to my bees as a start of the main flow.
Any help is always thought well of.
Thanks
gww

Ps  Is the beginning of seeing white wax a sign that can be relied on that the flow is just starting?
Title: Re: Can the queen be caged somewhere to stop her from laying eggs to break brood pattern
Post by: rwlaw on November 11, 2016, 07:00:01 AM
Predicting flows ain't rocket science but it does take research and dedication. Firstly, find a local who knows local plants and trees and make him/her your best friend. Another place is NASA https://honeybeenet.gsfc.nasa.gov/Honeybees/Forage_info.htm, it's rather generic but it helps. I've got got a book on Michigan flowering plants and trees which I go to a lot.
I've always wanted to get a set of feed mill scales and set a hive on it to monitor hive weights, but never found one cheap enough, they're so expensive because most of the time they're antiques.
"distlekamp, or how ever you spell it,". You were close gww LOL.
Mel Disselkoen
http://www.mdasplitter.com/
Title: Re: Can the queen be caged somewhere to stop her from laying eggs to break brood pattern
Post by: cpekarek on November 11, 2016, 08:25:28 AM
Talk about hive monitoring, check this stuff out.  http://hivetool.org/w/index.php?title=HiveTool.org
Title: Re: Can the queen be caged somewhere to stop her from laying eggs to break brood pattern
Post by: Michael Bush on November 12, 2016, 05:49:28 PM
>When is "your: main flow in relationship to your fruit tree blooms.  Three weeks later then fruit tree bloom (rough estimate)?

Typical year the wild plums and choke cherries bloom on the 15th of April.  The main flow is the 15th of June.  That's two months later.
Title: Re: Can the queen be caged somewhere to stop her from laying eggs to break brood pattern
Post by: gww on November 12, 2016, 10:07:07 PM
Michael bush
Thanks for answering my question.
gww