You are a scout bee, serving the swarm and your queen.
What is the entrance dimension that appeals to you the most?
You have only one choice, for you will live with it the rest of your natural life.
In natural hives, bees prefer a hive with about a 1 1/4? hole in the middle of the hive.
Jim Altmiller
Quote from: sawdstmakr on May 11, 2019, 07:51:14 PM
In natural hives, bees prefer a hive with about a 1 1/4? hole in the middle of the hive.
Jim Altmiller
Thanks, Saw Dust Maker,
That was my thought exactly but wanted to test the theory.
Now wondering if a couple of nails across it might deter pests.
Putting lemon grass oil around the entrance seem to keep a lot of other critters away from the swarm trap especially the wasps. I suspect the smell lets them know that the bees are thinking about moving in and it keeps them out. My boxes that are not maintained with LGO get wasps of different types while the ones maintained do not.
Jim Altmiller
Quote from: sawdstmakr on May 13, 2019, 11:49:10 PM
Putting lemon grass oil around the entrance seem to keep a lot of other critters away from the swarm trap especially the wasps. I suspect the smell lets them know that the bees are thinking about moving in and it keeps them out. My boxes that are not maintained with LGO get wasps of different types while the ones maintained do not.
Jim Altmiller
Didn't think about wasps. Thanks!
Would a scout bee, its swarm, and queen choose a site on the assumption that it would last through the entire life cycle of the colony? If so, would that be a valid guide in the dimensions of a hive produced for the beekeeper?
Father Michael,
Only the scouts select the new site. They actually enter the location and measure the inside to see it meets their needs. The larger the swarm, the larger the location that they need.
That is why when we set swarm traps we use foundation less frames. If there were foundation sheets in the frames, it makes the trap look too small.
Jim Altmiller
Quote from: FatherMichael on May 14, 2019, 08:44:54 PM
Would a scout bee, its swarm, and queen choose a site on the assumption that it would last through the entire life cycle of the colony?
Yes, but keep in mind that their goal is to reproduce. The size they prefer is much smaller then what we prefer because we want them to continue collecting nectar. We trick them. After they have selected the optimum size for their needs we expand that space. That is not something they do on their own.
Quote from: sawdstmakr on May 14, 2019, 10:43:45 PM
Father Michael,
Only the scouts select the new site. They actually enter the location and measure the inside to see it meets their needs. The larger the swarm, the larger the location that they need.
That is why when we set swarm traps we use foundation less frames. If there were foundation sheets in the frames, it makes the trap look too small.
Jim Altmiller
Would they select the entrance size relative to swarm size?
Quote from: Acebird on May 15, 2019, 08:52:31 AM
Quote from: FatherMichael on May 14, 2019, 08:44:54 PM
Would a scout bee, its swarm, and queen choose a site on the assumption that it would last through the entire life cycle of the colony?
Yes, but keep in mind that their goal is to reproduce. The size they prefer is much smaller then what we prefer because we want them to continue collecting nectar. We trick them. After they have selected the optimum size for their needs we expand that space. That is not something they do on their own.
Yes, be fruitful and multiply is a law of nature.
Quote from: FatherMichael on May 15, 2019, 09:29:40 AM
Quote from: sawdstmakr on May 14, 2019, 10:43:45 PM
Father Michael,
Only the scouts select the new site. They actually enter the location and measure the inside to see it meets their needs. The larger the swarm, the larger the location that they need.
That is why when we set swarm traps we use foundation less frames. If there were foundation sheets in the frames, it makes the trap look too small.
Jim Altmiller
Would they select the entrance size relative to swarm size?
No the hole size is based on being large enough to vent properly and small enough to protect the hive.
Jim Altmiller
Venting intersecting with guarding -- that makes perfect sense.
Quote from: sawdstmakr on May 14, 2019, 10:43:45 PM
Father Michael,
Only the scouts select the new site. They actually enter the location and measure the inside to see it meets their needs. The larger the swarm, the larger the location that they need.
That is why when we set swarm traps we use foundation less frames. If there were foundation sheets in the frames, it makes the trap look too small.
Jim Altmiller
I believe this may be part of my problem. I have frames with foundation in all mine.
That trap looks small. Try removing the foundation and place a this wood strip or popsicles sticks in the top slots, melt a little bees wax and nuts paint the edge of the strip. Then replace them.
Jim Altmiller
Made two swarm traps of 3/8" plywood and 1x8s. Inside volume is 13 gallons. Drilled 1" hole because that is the largest Forstner bit I had. Have since ordered one that is 1-1/4" in diameter.
One trap is finished to natural color with Tung oil. The other painted with Valspar exterior latex called State of Mind, which has a violet-gray hue. Two drops inside each of Lemon Grass oil and around entrance with the same.
Used 1-3/8" wide top bars inside with 1/8" channel down the middle filled with beeswax and a small starter strip of foundation.
If the bees follow the top bar guides they will easily transfer to the hives I'm building.
Why use popsickle sticks as starters?
I make wood strips and wax the edge. I have a full workshop to be able to make them. Most beeks do not and Popsicle sticks work as a replacement. Wax starter strips are just as good.
Jim Altmiller
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Quote from: FatherMichael on May 15, 2019, 11:12:00 PM
Made two swarm traps of 3/8" plywood and 1x8s. Inside volume is 13 gallons. Drilled 1" hole because that is the largest Forstner bit I had. Have since ordered one that is 1-1/4" in diameter.
One trap is finished to natural color with Tung oil. The other painted with Valspar exterior latex called State of Mind, which has a violet-gray hue. Two drops inside each of Lemon Grass oil and around entrance with the same.
Used 1-3/8" wide top bars inside with 1/8" channel down the middle filled with beeswax and a small starter strip of foundation.
If the bees follow the top bar guides they will easily transfer to the hives I'm building.
Why use popsickle sticks as starters?
Reverend, One inch will work. Doing cutouts, I have seen nice size hives in homes with entrances with very small holes or openings.
The size hole that Jim suggested happens to be the agreed optimum size. Some use pop sickle sticks as starters for convenience. Personally, I rip the desired length from scrap wood on my table saw. Good luck to you and you journey with bees. "Milk and Honey Flowing"
Phillip
Thanks, Phillip.