Title: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: seanconnery on June 14, 2019, 10:32:56 PM
Post by: seanconnery on June 14, 2019, 10:32:56 PM
I found this explanation thorough with backing data:
https://theapiarist.org/leave-and-let-die/ (https://theapiarist.org/leave-and-let-die/)
https://theapiarist.org/leave-and-let-die/ (https://theapiarist.org/leave-and-let-die/)
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: TheHoneyPump on June 14, 2019, 11:11:53 PM
Post by: TheHoneyPump on June 14, 2019, 11:11:53 PM
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Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: seanconnery on June 14, 2019, 11:41:08 PM
Post by: seanconnery on June 14, 2019, 11:41:08 PM
Huh?
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: Ben Framed on June 15, 2019, 12:18:06 AM
Post by: Ben Framed on June 15, 2019, 12:18:06 AM
Thanks for posting.....
Phillip
Phillip
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: The15thMember on June 15, 2019, 01:09:21 AM
Post by: The15thMember on June 15, 2019, 01:09:21 AM
Quote from: TheHoneyPump on June 14, 2019, 11:11:53 PMHP, are you dumbfounded or are you engaged?
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Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: Ben Framed on June 15, 2019, 01:21:12 AM
Post by: Ben Framed on June 15, 2019, 01:21:12 AM
Quote from: The15thMember on June 15, 2019, 01:09:21 AMQuote from: TheHoneyPump on June 14, 2019, 11:11:53 PMHP, are you dumbfounded or are you engaged?
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Member, while we are waiting for his answer, I will take a guess. Looks like he is really taking in the information so he can decipher it later?
:grin:
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: FloridaGardener on June 15, 2019, 01:54:34 AM
Post by: FloridaGardener on June 15, 2019, 01:54:34 AM
Umm...more like, sitting down with popcorn to watch the show - the Great Debate between treatment and treatment free.
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: Ben Framed on June 15, 2019, 01:56:42 AM
Post by: Ben Framed on June 15, 2019, 01:56:42 AM
Quote from: FloridaGardener on June 15, 2019, 01:54:34 AM
Umm...more like, sitting down with popcorn to watch the show - the Great Debate between treatment and treatment free.
Maybe so. :grin:
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: Acebird on June 15, 2019, 07:54:26 AM
Post by: Acebird on June 15, 2019, 07:54:26 AM
Quote from: seanconnery on June 14, 2019, 10:32:56 PMDump the chemicals in your hive and enjoy the honey. The reason I don't treat is because I enjoy not taking pills until I die. There will always be more bees either way.
I found this explanation thorough with backing data:
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: The15thMember on June 15, 2019, 08:43:54 AM
Post by: The15thMember on June 15, 2019, 08:43:54 AM
Quote from: FloridaGardener on June 15, 2019, 01:54:34 AMOh, that?s likely. The new Great Debate seems to be what HP meant by his post! :cheesy:
Umm...more like, sitting down with popcorn to watch the show - the Great Debate between treatment and treatment free.
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: Ben Framed on June 15, 2019, 09:43:43 AM
Post by: Ben Framed on June 15, 2019, 09:43:43 AM
Quote from: The15thMember on June 15, 2019, 08:43:54 AMQuote from: FloridaGardener on June 15, 2019, 01:54:34 AMOh, that?s likely. The new Great Debate seems to be what HP meant by his post! :cheesy:
Umm...more like, sitting down with popcorn to watch the show - the Great Debate between treatment and treatment free.
Yep! After Ace?s post I believe You and Florida have tentatively Nailed it? 😁😁
Phillip
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: seanconnery on June 15, 2019, 10:33:22 AM
Post by: seanconnery on June 15, 2019, 10:33:22 AM
The article was posted not to elicit whether you treat or not treat, but point out the enormous (time) scale required for bees to evolve/mutate to be varroa resistant. Simply stating "I treat because... or I don't treat because..." does not address the article's contents.
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: Ben Framed on June 15, 2019, 11:01:23 AM
Post by: Ben Framed on June 15, 2019, 11:01:23 AM
Quote from: seanconnery on June 15, 2019, 10:33:22 AM
The article was posted not to elicit whether you treat or not treat, but point out the enormous (time) scale required for bees to evolve/mutate to be varroa resistant. Simply stating "I treat because... or I don't treat because..." does not address the article's contents.
Fully understand. We are just Adding a little fun along with education . Thanks Sean very good information. Phillip
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: seanconnery on June 15, 2019, 11:00:49 PM
Post by: seanconnery on June 15, 2019, 11:00:49 PM
Apiary Hell
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: The15thMember on June 16, 2019, 12:24:40 AM
Post by: The15thMember on June 16, 2019, 12:24:40 AM
Quote from: seanconnery on June 15, 2019, 11:00:49 PMConfused again.
Apiary Hell
Title: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: TheHoneyPump on June 16, 2019, 01:45:55 AM
Post by: TheHoneyPump on June 16, 2019, 01:45:55 AM
Quote from: Ben Framed on June 15, 2019, 01:56:42 AMQuote from: FloridaGardener on June 15, 2019, 01:54:34 AM
Umm...more like, sitting down with popcorn to watch the show - the Great Debate between treatment and treatment free.
Maybe so. :grin:
. This.
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: yes2matt on June 16, 2019, 08:52:35 AM
Post by: yes2matt on June 16, 2019, 08:52:35 AM
Quote from: seanconnery on June 14, 2019, 10:32:56 PMTakes an atheistic view of evolution "random mutation." Plenty of observers citing plenty of evidence that behaviors/characteristics necessary to survival under pressure of a new parasite have already emerged.
I found this explanation thorough with backing data:
https://theapiarist.org/leave-and-let-die/ (https://theapiarist.org/leave-and-let-die/)
https://tfb.podbean.com/e/70-grassroots-sustainable-beekeeping-with-iain-glass/
http://beekeepingtodaypodcast.com/dr-tom-d-seeley-honey-bees-in-the-wild-019
I'm sorry these are links to audio, but that's how I get my news these days :)
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: seanconnery on June 16, 2019, 12:01:14 PM
Post by: seanconnery on June 16, 2019, 12:01:14 PM
Yes this site reports this as well. Random yes, consistent and increasing yes, in time. Michael Bush has bees that do not have varroa and are treatment free and it would be good to know how and when and perhaps offer a why.
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: Ben Framed on June 16, 2019, 12:08:07 PM
Post by: Ben Framed on June 16, 2019, 12:08:07 PM
Quote from: seanconnery on June 16, 2019, 12:01:14 PM
Yes this site reports this as well. Random yes, consistent and increasing yes, in time. Michael Bush has bees that do not have varroa and are treatment free and it would be good to know how and when and perhaps offer a why.
Mr Bush is an exceptional beekeeper who is always willing to help and explain.
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: yes2matt on June 16, 2019, 01:19:00 PM
Post by: yes2matt on June 16, 2019, 01:19:00 PM
Quote from: seanconnery on June 16, 2019, 12:01:14 PMHis site is pretty informative.
Yes this site reports this as well. Random yes, consistent and increasing yes, in time. Michael Bush has bees that do not have varroa and are treatment free and it would be good to know how and when and perhaps offer a why.
And/ or you could make BeeFest 2020 in your plans. (North FL, March sawdustmkr will have details)
Edit: just because a computer code (e.g. compiled C++) isn't human-readable doesn't make it arbitrary; just because genetic mutation isn't human-predictable doesn't make it random.
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: Ben Framed on June 16, 2019, 01:21:44 PM
Post by: Ben Framed on June 16, 2019, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: yes2matt on June 16, 2019, 01:19:00 PMQuote from: seanconnery on June 16, 2019, 12:01:14 PMHis site is pretty informative.
Yes this site reports this as well. Random yes, consistent and increasing yes, in time. Michael Bush has bees that do not have varroa and are treatment free and it would be good to know how and when and perhaps offer a why.
And/ or you could make BeeFest 2020 in your plans. (North FL, March sawdustmkr will have details)
I would like to meet each of you personally . What better opportunity than with Jim at BeeFest. 😊😁
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: BeeMaster2 on June 16, 2019, 05:30:56 PM
Post by: BeeMaster2 on June 16, 2019, 05:30:56 PM
Beefest 2020 is March 20, 21 and 22.
Directions to the farm.
From I-10, east or west, use exit 333, the Glen St Mary exit, N County Road 125. Head north towards Glen St Mary. Go 14.5 miles north, the last 5 miles you will be in the Osceola National Forest. When you see that the trees are thinning in the distance start slowing down. There will be a dirt road, OC Horne Rd, on the right with just 25 feet of asphalt at the entrance, DO NOT TURN THERE. My drive way is about 50 feet past OC Horne Rd. There will be a BeeFest sign at the entrance and there is a sign with a cow that says Annabelle?s Wish. Follow the signs to the first gate on the right and then around the pond to the house.
The address is:
23523 County Road 125 N
Sanderson, FL, 32087-3019
Directions to the farm.
From I-10, east or west, use exit 333, the Glen St Mary exit, N County Road 125. Head north towards Glen St Mary. Go 14.5 miles north, the last 5 miles you will be in the Osceola National Forest. When you see that the trees are thinning in the distance start slowing down. There will be a dirt road, OC Horne Rd, on the right with just 25 feet of asphalt at the entrance, DO NOT TURN THERE. My drive way is about 50 feet past OC Horne Rd. There will be a BeeFest sign at the entrance and there is a sign with a cow that says Annabelle?s Wish. Follow the signs to the first gate on the right and then around the pond to the house.
The address is:
23523 County Road 125 N
Sanderson, FL, 32087-3019
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: van from Arkansas on June 16, 2019, 07:30:34 PM
Post by: van from Arkansas on June 16, 2019, 07:30:34 PM
Jim: There will be a BeeFest sign at the entrance and there is a sign with a cow that says Annabelle?s Wish.
You have a cow that talks and say ANNABELLE?s WISH!!! AMAZING Jim, BTW, what does the sign have written on it? Just poking fun at our very difficult English language.
Blessings
Van
You have a cow that talks and say ANNABELLE?s WISH!!! AMAZING Jim, BTW, what does the sign have written on it? Just poking fun at our very difficult English language.
Blessings
Van
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: BeeMaster2 on June 16, 2019, 09:17:51 PM
Post by: BeeMaster2 on June 16, 2019, 09:17:51 PM
Van,
ANNABELLE?s WISH!!! The idea of the cow is from the kids movie ANNABELLE?s WISH!!! My first granddaughters name is ANNABELLE.
There is also a sign that says Altmiller and next to it is the name of whoever is renting our old farm house.
ANNABELLE?s WISH!!! The idea of the cow is from the kids movie ANNABELLE?s WISH!!! My first granddaughters name is ANNABELLE.
There is also a sign that says Altmiller and next to it is the name of whoever is renting our old farm house.
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: van from Arkansas on June 16, 2019, 09:46:42 PM
Post by: van from Arkansas on June 16, 2019, 09:46:42 PM
Sounds like a beautiful place, Jim. I envy your lake that you have mentioned. Must be nice to have a farm in N Florida,,,,, I have a friend that just moved into your N. Fl. The land is expensive there. My buddy basically paid 100K an acre for 3 acres.
Title: Re: Varroa: Treat or not Treat
Post by: BeeMaster2 on June 16, 2019, 09:50:49 PM
Post by: BeeMaster2 on June 16, 2019, 09:50:49 PM
Sounds like he is on a large lake, ocean or on a river. Land here is less than 10% of that.
Jim Altmiller
Jim Altmiller