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Title: I think I got the freshman State inspector - and I fit right in
Post by: saltybluegrass on July 24, 2019, 01:52:16 PM
And I helped with horrible video
I post this here to assist other total newbees

https://youtu.be/vUen12TA_j8
Jim he?s telling me my bees must be 15 feet from
Property line if no 6? fence is guarding-
Does chain link count?
Can I build a 6?x6? panel that sits behind the hives next to the chain link?
He admitted Florida laws are quite ambiguous
Title: Re: I think I got the freshman State inspector - and I fit right in
Post by: Fishing-Nut on July 25, 2019, 10:51:03 AM
I was glad when he told you to hold on to a frame so he could get the others out. Him Not sitting one to the side was killing me.
Title: Re: I think I got the freshman State inspector - and I fit right in
Post by: beesnweeds on July 25, 2019, 01:42:20 PM
Checking for AFB with leather gloves? What would he do if he did find AFB, use them on his next inspection?  Florida needs to get this guy a j hook tool if he's going to keep putting the frames back in before pulling out the next.  Hopefully he doesn't roll a queen.
Title: Re: I think I got the freshman State inspector - and I fit right in
Post by: BeeMaster2 on July 25, 2019, 03:23:10 PM
It was painful to watch. I stopped watching after the first 1/3 of the video. I would be amazed if he found a live queen. Next time he comes, tell him you will handle the frames and start with an outer frame and leave the first one out.
I had to take control from an inspector once and not let him in the hive. I was too late, he had already killed the queen. The next week I had emergency cells all over that hive. It was a very large productive hive. I was really upset and made sure he never inspected my hives again.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: I think I got the freshman State inspector - and I fit right in
Post by: billdean on July 25, 2019, 10:30:41 PM
Brand new gloves and bee suit. You must of been his first call.

edit?After watching it you should of run that guy off. Jim is right. It was painful to watch.
Title: Re: I think I got the freshman State inspector - and I fit right in
Post by: cao on July 25, 2019, 11:15:34 PM
I just had to stop watching after he pulled the first frame from the middle of the box. :shocked:
Title: Re: I think I got the freshman State inspector - and I fit right in
Post by: jtcmedic on July 25, 2019, 11:21:55 PM
I have my  inspection scheduled in August. My inspector asked if I was currently doing any splits and as I am and I asked if we could put off till after they mate and she had no issues. My previous inspector got promoted, Carmen is  a good guy. Will see how it goes.
Title: Re: I think I got the freshman State inspector - and I fit right in
Post by: FloridaGardener on July 26, 2019, 12:12:24 AM
Holding the frame above the lawn, and swinging it around, and walking where you just dropped bees?....[Cringe]... hope your Q is still there, if she wasn't rolled.

@jtcmedic - was Carmen Fracicca your inspector?
Title: Re: I think I got the freshman State inspector - and I fit right in
Post by: FloridaGardener on July 26, 2019, 12:42:40 AM
 "He's telling me my bees must be 15 feet from property line if no 6 ft fence is guarding-
Does chain link count? ... He admitted Florida laws are quite ambiguous
"

@Salty - We had a very long go-round with Fla. Agriculture re: setbacks in the specifics of Fla. Best Management Practices [BMP].

This is because we've been sued by a golf course inventing an "implied, unwritten easement" so they can use our garden as a ditch for their re-development into residential homes.  Our apiary had to come out of our rear yard, where the golf course wants to make a ditch, and up to the front street where Mommies push babies in strollers [?That's Best Management, right?] The problem went up to the top positions in Fla. Ag., who sided with the golf course.

The apiary got moved for now, but the lawsuit isn't over yet.

Fla. BMP/BCA rules are:

5 ft from the hive, the bees should be 6 ft overhead.  That's why a screen is necessary - to get them above people on the other side of a property line.  A team in the Apiary Division spent years analyzing and determining the parameters, to make them reasonable. Dense shrubbery serves as a screen, provided it's not cut down below 6 ft high. 

If there are no shrubs or solid screen, the hive should be set back 15 feet.

No apiaries within 150 ft of day cares, schools, churches, parking lots, etc.

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pdffiles/aa/aa13700.pdf  This of course is Florida only.
Title: Re: I think I got the freshman State inspector - and I fit right in
Post by: Hops Brewster on July 26, 2019, 11:11:55 AM
I don't know about Florida regs, but it's my observation that bees do fly over chain link fence.  Apparently, their compound eyes see the chain link as a wall.   On rare occasions, I witnessed a bee land on the fence, stay awhile, then move on through it.  But flying at it, they invariably go over it.  This by keeping hives inside a dog kennel for a few years.
Title: Re: I think I got the freshman State inspector - and I fit right in
Post by: saltybluegrass on July 26, 2019, 11:47:26 AM
Thanks for the responses,  do I need to call someone and let them know he needs a little more training.
So 5 feet from the hive there is a 6? vertical rule.
So the question I asked him was can I make a 6?x6? Like a horseshoe  barrier behind my hives where they sit on the property line. Not sure I can afford a full yard wood fence.
Reading that statue, it should be ok.
He also said they do not consider my neighbors own 6? privacy fences as part of my deterrent.

I saw those white new gloves immediately like a red flag
Title: Re: I think I got the freshman State inspector - and I fit right in
Post by: FloridaGardener on July 26, 2019, 02:03:33 PM
@ Salty - Check with your local municipality (county or city).  In some places, when on a property line, a fence is "shared" in the sense that there is a joint maintenance responsibility because of joint benefit. 

A $20 solution could be zip-tying Amazon $20 "Gale Pacific Coolaroo Shade Fabric (6' X 15')." 

If screening doesn't comply, the Apiary Inspector sends a notice of noncompliance.

This is not legal advice  :wink:
Title: Re: I think I got the freshman State inspector - and I fit right in
Post by: saltybluegrass on July 26, 2019, 04:40:32 PM
The language used in our friends post above uses the term SCREEN- like I said, he admitted the rules are being streamlined and formed as we speak.
Which led me to ask him , where should I put my 2cents in while they are so no hard butt blowfish beehater makes a stupid rule