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Title: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: Ben Framed on July 25, 2019, 01:50:11 AM
What is the going price at a market for such described honey? When it can be found. I realize there are variables. what is a good honest pace to start?
Thanks,
Phillip
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: Sputnik on July 25, 2019, 06:03:38 AM
In the East Tn. Market, $8.00 a pound, $12.00 a pint, $20.00 a quart. These prices are the average of 5 beekeepers I know in sorounding counties.
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: Acebird on July 25, 2019, 08:50:10 AM
If you see it in the United States as produced in the US it is likely false advertising.  True Organic honey goes for as much as 12 a pound.  I use to sell my honey for 9 a pound and 6 a half pound and it was not organic.
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: cao on July 25, 2019, 11:33:11 AM
>Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey 

Leave out the organic and I sell it for $7 a lb. $10 a pint $18 a quart.  I am on the cheaper side around here.  I see honey being sold for $8-10 a lb. and as much as 12 a lb.
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: Ben Framed on July 25, 2019, 11:56:14 AM
Quote from: cao on July 25, 2019, 11:33:11 AM
>Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey 

Leave out the organic and I sell it for $7 a lb. $10 a pint $18 a quart.  I am on the cheaper side around here.  I see honey being sold for $8-10 a lb. and as much as 12 a lb.

Thanks Cao, Ace Sputnik.  What would have to be the guidelines to be considered organic?
Phillip
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: BAHBEEs on July 25, 2019, 12:26:10 PM
I am currently selling at local markets (North Alabama):
1/2 lb for $6.00
1 lb for $12.00
2 lb for 20 lb.

I am still a small tad below what I am seeing dark likely fall honey for.
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: Ben Framed on July 25, 2019, 01:33:29 PM
Quote from: BAHBEEs on July 25, 2019, 12:26:10 PM
I am currently selling at local markets (North Alabama):
1/2 lb for $6.00
1 lb for $12.00
2 lb for 20 lb.

I am still a small tad below what I am seeing dark likely fall honey for.

Thanks BAHBEEs which side of the state are you closer to, East or West?
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: BAHBEEs on July 25, 2019, 03:07:03 PM
More like Dead center all the way at the top.

I work in Huntsville Alabama, but live 25 min to the west in Athens.  Both are pretty much in the center of the state...but about 15 min from the AL/TN line.
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: Ben Framed on July 25, 2019, 05:12:02 PM
Quote from: BAHBEEs on July 25, 2019, 03:07:03 PM
More like Dead center all the way at the top.

I work in Huntsville Alabama, but live 25 min to the west in Athens.  Both are pretty much in the center of the state...but about 15 min from the AL/TN line.

That is a nice area. I don?t know if I already told you but if not, welcome to beemaster.
Phillip
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: FatherMichael on July 25, 2019, 05:42:58 PM
The FTC allows sugar syrup in "organic" honey.  The discriminating consumer knows that and may not buy it, therefore.

Another thing to consider is filtered vs. non-filtered.  To be truly filtered it must be heated and forced through filters rather than merely strained.  Again, some consumers know this and will pay more for the non-filtered.

The Santa Fe Honey Salon, for instance, sells the thickest honey I ever saw.  It must take them forever to run a batch.  But it is sure good and they fetch a premium price from the swells there.
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: cao on July 25, 2019, 11:01:23 PM
Quote from: Ben Framed on July 25, 2019, 11:56:14 AM
Thanks Cao, Ace Sputnik.  What would have to be the guidelines to be considered organic?
Phillip

I don't believe any honey can be truly organic unless you have control of a 3 mile radius around your hives.
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: Ben Framed on July 25, 2019, 11:09:58 PM
Quote from: FatherMichael on July 25, 2019, 05:42:58 PM
The FTC allows sugar syrup in "organic" honey.  The discriminating consumer knows that and may not buy it, therefore.

Another thing to consider is filtered vs. non-filtered.  To be truly filtered it must be heated and forced through filters rather than merely strained.  Again, some consumers know this and will pay more for the non-filtered.

The Santa Fe Honey Salon, for instance, sells the thickest honey I ever saw.  It must take them forever to run a batch.  But it is sure good and they fetch a premium price from the swells there.

Thank you for sharing the good information. I have not know of the Santa Fa Honey Salon but it sounds like a sweet enterprise. 😁😁. Jeff Horchoff recently uploaded a video featuring his new bottling machine which works via pneumatics. A good chance Santa Fe uses something similar for bottling their honey? Jeff is associated with the St Francis Abby down is Louisiana.  Jeff is a nice fellow and I would recommend watching his videos.
Phillip
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: Ben Framed on July 25, 2019, 11:11:17 PM
Quote from: cao on July 25, 2019, 11:01:23 PM
Quote from: Ben Framed on July 25, 2019, 11:56:14 AM
Thanks Cao, Ace Sputnik.  What would have to be the guidelines to be considered organic?
Phillip

I don't believe any honey can be truly organic unless you have control of a 3 mile radius around your hives.

Thanks Cao, you are probably right.
Phillip
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: van from Arkansas on July 26, 2019, 02:38:43 PM
How about:

100% made by ORGANIC bees.

Are not honey bees organic??
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: Ben Framed on July 26, 2019, 06:57:30 PM
Quote from: van from Arkansas on July 26, 2019, 02:38:43 PM
How about:

100% made by ORGANIC bees.

Are not honey bees organic??

That is genius Mr Van!! 😊😁. 
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: Oldbeavo on July 27, 2019, 06:26:11 PM
If the bees go near sprayed crops such as cotton etc then are they still organic?  Seed dressings on canola? Fungicides on cherries?
Title: Re: Pure, Natural, Unadulterated, Organic, Raw Honey
Post by: Ben Framed on July 27, 2019, 07:37:26 PM
Quote from: Oldbeavo on July 27, 2019, 06:26:11 PM
If the bees go near sprayed crops such as cotton etc then are they still organic?  Seed dressings on canola? Fungicides on cherries?

There is no honest way I can claim organic so that question is over in my case. I appreciate you all chiming in and adding good input.
Phillip