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Title: Empty frame
Post by: sean on October 08, 2006, 11:36:19 AM
Hi, morning to everyone. I had a look at my hives yestrday and realized that one was very crowded(a lot of bees on the outside). Had no empty boxes or frames. I eventually got one box but no frames as the stores were closed. i put the empty box on as a super will this delay any potential swarming until tomorrow? secondly, how does one exactly tell when your hive needs splitting
thirdly we seem to have a wax shortage what are the disadvantages of putting unwaxed frames in the hives. thanks for any advice/help
Title: Empty frame
Post by: Brian D. Bray on October 08, 2006, 06:58:46 PM
Your problem is exactly why using slatted racks are a good idea.  If you leave the empty super in place for more than a day or 2 the bees will begin building burr comb helter skelter.  See my current article at www.beekeepersvoice.com/articles/bray for info on the slatted rack.
Title: Empty frame
Post by: Michael Bush on October 08, 2006, 09:16:02 PM
Had no empty boxes or frames. I eventually got one box but no frames as the stores were closed. i put the empty box on as a super will this delay any potential swarming until tomorrow? secondly, how does one exactly tell when your hive needs splitting

Swarm cells are the only reason I think they "need" splitting.  Anytime before that they need the brood nest open and room in the supers.

http://www.bushfarms.com/beesswarmcontrol.htm

>thirdly we seem to have a wax shortage what are the disadvantages of putting unwaxed frames in the hives. thanks for any advice/help

I think it's a great advantage to not use foundation:

http://www.bushfarms.com/beesfoundationless.htm
http://www.bushfarms.com/beesnaturalcell.htm
http://www.bushfarms.com/beeslazy.htm#naturalcellsize

Just put some kind of guide in.  A strip of wood.  A triangular piece of wood.  If you have SOME foundation you can cut starter strips.
Title: Empty frame
Post by: sean on October 09, 2006, 09:35:44 AM
thanks i have a lot more reading to do. don't think we have any slatted racks here but will be researching it some more. thanks again