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Title: Feeding
Post by: sean on January 03, 2007, 07:54:55 PM
why does brown sugar make the bees sick?
Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: reinbeau on January 03, 2007, 08:29:46 PM
I think it's the molasses.
Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: Michael Bush on January 03, 2007, 08:36:11 PM
The solids give them dysentery.

http://www.beesource.com/pov/usda/abjfeb1977.htm
Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: sean on January 03, 2007, 08:49:54 PM
Quote from: Michael Bush on January 03, 2007, 08:36:11 PM
The solids give them dysentery.

http://www.beesource.com/pov/usda/abjfeb1977.htm

thanks wasn't told what it was that made them sick, now i know 
Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: Finsky on January 04, 2007, 11:06:20 AM
Quote from: sean on January 03, 2007, 07:54:55 PM
why does brown sugar make the bees sick?

I read that in Philippenes they make honey from sugar cane juice. Sugar juice is pressed off and feeded to bees.  So "sick-factor " comes in when prossesing cane juice.
Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: Kirk-o on January 04, 2007, 11:19:34 AM
Try to do what works.
kirko
Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: sean on January 04, 2007, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: Finsky on January 04, 2007, 11:06:20 AM
Quote from: sean on January 03, 2007, 07:54:55 PM
why does brown sugar make the bees sick?

I read that in Philippenes they make honey from sugar cane juice. Sugar juice is pressed off and feeded to bees.  So "sick-factor " comes in when prossesing cane juice.
finsky, not getting what you are saying
Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: Finsky on January 04, 2007, 03:38:38 PM
Quote from: sean on January 04, 2007, 02:58:19 PM
finsky, not getting what you are saying
Perhaps me either.

In Philippines  beekeepers crush sugar canes and feed sugar juice to bees. Bees concentrate honey from cane juice. It is favorite there.

I mean that juice itself is not harmfull to bees.

Read Honey Better Than Refined Sugar: http://www.beekeeping.com/articles/us/beekeeping_philippines.htm



Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: kensfarm on January 04, 2007, 04:17:29 PM
Thanks Finsky.. 

Any other trees/plants come close to the coconut tree in nector production?
Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: sean on January 04, 2007, 06:12:06 PM
Quote from: Finsky on January 04, 2007, 03:38:38 PM
Quote from: sean on January 04, 2007, 02:58:19 PM
finsky, not getting what you are saying
Perhaps me either.

In Philippines  beekeepers crush sugar canes and feed sugar juice to bees. Bees concentrate honey from cane juice. It is favorite there.

I mean that juice itself is not harmfull to bees.

Read Honey Better Than Refined Sugar: http://www.beekeeping.com/articles/us/beekeeping_philippines.htm





what i know of the sugar cane is that it makes the honey crystalize much quicker. i was asking why it was that dark/brown suagar would make tem sick as opposed to white sugar. reinbeau said it could be the molasses and the link that mb provided seems to back it  up
Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: Brian D. Bray on January 05, 2007, 02:37:49 AM
There is a difference in feeding juices, such as the sap of the sugar cane plant and feeding brown sugar that is partially refined sugar.  Once the refining process starts substances are removed from the juice.  Until the final product is attained it is out of balance chemically so that the bees get sick.  They don't get sick from the juice or the granulated white sugar.
Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: Cindi on January 05, 2007, 11:21:37 AM
Impurities in the brown sugar, undigestible products?  Do not feed.

I have also heard that HFS is not good for bees either.

I saved all the honey water from the wax cappings that I washed over and over.  I put this honey water in pails and put it in my extra freezer, I have 4 gallons of it, I am going to use it to use as my water in the sugar syrup that I will feed in spring for the build-up.  I think it will be much better for them than the tap water.

I am considering this year to gather the rain water (we do not have any acid rain in my parts) and using that for the mixing of sugar and water as well, that way I know that bees do not have any chemicals in the food that I am feeding.  On the other hand too, I know that if one lets water stand for over 24 hours once it has been drawn from the tap, (from my greenhouse years growing plants), that pretty much most of the: for example, cholorine, has been evaporated from the water.  I still think that rain water would be good. 
Any ideas on this aspect forum members?  Great day.  Cindi

Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: limyw on January 05, 2007, 11:33:15 AM
Dont ever try brown suger. I did tried 50:50:100 (brown suger:sucrose:water), it almost made the hives collapse. I dont know actual reason, but it just harmful to bees.
Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: Cindi on January 05, 2007, 11:42:28 AM
Brown sugar, undigestible products.  Great day.  Cindi
Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: Jerrymac on January 05, 2007, 12:04:16 PM
Quote from: reinbeau on January 03, 2007, 08:29:46 PM
I think it's the molasses.

Well think about it. Are you gonna eat a mole's backside?
Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: Kirk-o on January 05, 2007, 03:15:19 PM
Do what works use sugar
kirko
Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: Cindi on January 05, 2007, 11:22:48 PM
Jerry, sometimes you say the wierdest things (LOL) :?  Great day. Cindi
Title: Re: Feeding
Post by: Jerrymac on January 05, 2007, 11:27:49 PM
OH NO!!! I've been found out.