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Title: Two Queen hives
Post by: bernie on February 13, 2007, 05:08:49 PM
I'm thinking of using two queens per hive this spring, one hive body on the bottom, one hive body on the top, and medium honey supers between.  I know Mr. Bush is not high on this idea, but does anyone else have opinions, advise, or history?  Thanks. 
Title: Re: Two Queen hives
Post by: Jerrymac on February 13, 2007, 05:16:00 PM
Why not two hives? What do you hope to gain?
Title: Re: Two Queen hives
Post by: thegolfpsycho on February 13, 2007, 06:36:10 PM
Two queen hives are a lot of work.  They can make big crops, but you face increased swarm issues, boxes stacked to the troposphere (which depending on configuration you may have to handle over and over).  and when the colony is in a bad mood, there are an awful lot of angry bees in the air.  Can be intimidating for the inexperienced. 

If done properly, it can be a lot of fun, and very productive.  If you don't have time to manage them, they can become a swarm engine and do little more than anger your neighbors.
Title: Re: Two Queen hives
Post by: Kirk-o on February 13, 2007, 06:41:25 PM
I have a hard time just with one queen
kirk-o
Title: Re: Two Queen hives
Post by: Michael Bush on February 13, 2007, 07:19:39 PM
I think its a fun experiment that involves a lot of work.  I think everyone should try it once.  :)

http://www.bushfarms.com/beestwoqueenhive.htm

After accidentally  having one last year, I may see if I can reproduce the same system with as little work this year.  :)

How about putting an excluder over the brood nest and introducing a queen cell about to emerge in the top and let some of them end up two queen hives and some just get requeened and don't even try to figure out which are which until harvest time.  :)
Title: Re: Two Queen hives
Post by: Kathyp on February 13, 2007, 07:29:59 PM
i had more than one queen in the hive last year.  they did really well...but it was an accident, not a plan.

if you do this, don't you risk double the loss if something goes wrong with the hive?  would they have a better chance of surviving with two, or would you just lose the whole thing?  i also wondered if the size would be an issue?
Title: Re: Two Queen hives
Post by: Understudy on February 13, 2007, 07:34:56 PM
Doesn't one queen kill the other unless it is say a supercedure?

Sincerely,
Brendhan
Title: Re: Two Queen hives
Post by: Michael Bush on February 13, 2007, 08:48:42 PM
>Doesn't one queen kill the other unless it is say a supercedure?

Not if she can't get to the other queen. :)  Supercedure queens often don't kill their mother.  She just disappears in the fall.
Title: Re: Two Queen hives
Post by: Finsky on February 14, 2007, 09:21:44 AM

One queen in 2-box hive is enough. What is the purpose?

Queen or queens are able to lay as much as nurser bees may nurse brood.

There is odd controversy in beekeeping. Some want restrict the brood area into one box. Some want to keep 2 queens in 2 boxes.  I keep good queen in 3 brood box. - And all are so sure with their doings.

It makes sence if queens are so bad that one is not able to lay enough for healty forager. But good queen makes so big hive that there are difficulties to nurse the tower.

Title: Re: Two Queen hives
Post by: TwT on February 14, 2007, 09:37:20 AM
I haven't seen 2 queens in any of my hives but I did a removal 2 year's ago and found 2 queens, on the link there is a picture of a 2 queen hive....

http://www.gabeekeeping.com/
Title: Re: Two Queen hives
Post by: Finsky on February 14, 2007, 11:03:11 AM
Quote from: TwT on February 14, 2007, 09:37:20 AM
I haven't seen 2 queens in any of my hives but I did a removal 2 year's ago and found 2 queens, on the link there is a picture of a 2 queen hive....

http://www.gabeekeeping.com/

it needs exluder between queens, and that one problem.
Title: Re: Two Queen hives
Post by: Mici on February 14, 2007, 05:57:28 PM
dear lord, is it just me, or are they both laying eggs????
Title: Re: Two Queen hives
Post by: Kirk-o on February 14, 2007, 06:00:55 PM
One queen is enough for me
kirk-o
Title: Re: Two Queen hives
Post by: bernie on February 14, 2007, 09:58:19 PM
Thanks to everyone for their input.  Since I'm retired and beekeeping is my primary hobby, the additional work is not significant to me since I have plenty of time.  I have the opportunity to place four hives in a stand of Sour Wood so I want to maximize the honey production.  As well, those four hives are due for re-queening this year.  Plus, running two queens seems like a good way to prevent swarming.  Maximize honey, prevent swarming, introducing a new queen, combining after the flow into a strong hive for the winter.  That's my thinking.  Maybe I'm biting off more than I can chew.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Two Queen hives
Post by: TwT on February 14, 2007, 10:01:45 PM
dont get me wrong but that is not a man made 2 queen hive, that was a hive that is superseding the older queen..........
Title: Re: Two Queen hives
Post by: Finsky on February 15, 2007, 12:08:35 AM
Quote from: TwT on February 14, 2007, 10:01:45 PM
dont get me wrong but that is not a man made 2 queen hive, that was a hive that is  supersedingthe older queen..........

Please professor,don't mix our heads. It is so diffucul without superseding issue. Nothing to do with that.