Glues

Two Bees · February 09, 2010, 10:34:26 PM

WD, I've heard a similar question but the flip side................."you're going to use glue AND nails! You don't really need the nails!"

wd · February 09, 2010, 10:38:02 PM

one of my immediate warpos that I couldn't take apart after gluing. frames won't set on the frame rest

Sparky · February 10, 2010, 09:57:46 AM

Quote from: wd on February 09, 2010, 10:38:02 PM
one of my immediate warpos that I couldn't take apart after gluing. frames won't set on the frame rest

WOW !! That is a bunch of warpage. Try to lay it with the warped end down and lay a thick water saturated towel on the raw wood inside for at least 4-5 days keeping it plenty wet. It would help if it was hot water. Then turn it with the warped side up and set something HEAVY on top for a few days if you do not own clamps that could be used to draw it in over a couple of days.

Two Bees · February 10, 2010, 02:00:40 PM

WD, is that a solid pine 1X board or plywood? I couldn't tell since is has darkened.

wd · February 10, 2010, 02:33:32 PM

a catch 22, I guess or maybe I hit a sensitive nerve when I nailed it together

The pieces that bowed are solid pine, this is the worst one. I did use it with shims to hold the frames in place right under the top cover for awhile. I've been letting it soak in all this wonderful rain we've been having. It's old enough now to take it apart and attempt a repair.

wd · February 10, 2010, 11:31:26 PM

Quote from: wd on February 09, 2010, 10:38:02 PM
one of my immediate warpos that I couldn't take apart after gluing. frames won't set on the frame rest

Was a little surprised on how strong the joints are as is but managed to pull the piece off today with no damage, a new piece won't fit do to swelling, will give it a few days see if it straightens out any with some pressure.

beee farmer · February 11, 2010, 12:42:57 AM

I got several like that... I just added a cleat to the inside to catch the frames... the girls propalize up the lsight crack left when stacking supers

wd · February 11, 2010, 01:05:13 AM

beee farmer,

not that it didn't cross my mind, if it doesn't work, I'll put back together and use as you mentioned but only as a super. thanks.

fish_stix · February 11, 2010, 10:45:36 AM

wd; while it's apart cut several saw kerfs top to bottom on the inside surface maybe 1/4 - 3/8" deep and 1 1/2" apart. Then just nail a cleat on the outside to pull it straight.

wd · February 11, 2010, 04:10:54 PM

So which brand Glue is the preferred choice? Didn't mean to change the topic...

a cleat on the outside, now why didn't I think of that ... is that suck it in or is that out -

Thanks fish_stix

Quote from: Two Bees on February 09, 2010, 10:34:26 PM
WD, I've heard a similar question but the flip side................."you're going to use glue AND nails! You don't really need the nails!"

nails or screws seem more secure to me though I see the principle.

Wynoochee_newbee_guy · February 11, 2010, 10:23:48 PM

I only use Glues that are FDA aproved for indirect food contact. Tight bond II is gorilla glue is not but I don't think it will hurt. also price wise Gorilla is to costly. Tight bond II works great in water after its dry I made cutting boards with it that have been through the dish washer hundreds of times.

wd · February 12, 2010, 12:14:29 AM

Quote from: Wynoochee_newbee_guy on February 11, 2010, 10:23:48 PM
I only use Glues that are FDA aproved for indirect food contact. Tight bond II is gorilla glue is not but I don't think it will hurt. also price wise Gorilla is to costly. Tight bond II works great in water after its dry I made cutting boards with it that have been through the dish washer hundreds of times.

Though I think I'll be sticking with nails / screws one can add laminated beams, plywood, etc to the list of just using some sort of adhesive.

Wynoochee_newbee_guy · February 12, 2010, 01:45:36 AM

oh Just fyi I use both Glue and nails. never just one type

Two Bees · February 18, 2010, 08:41:25 AM

Are 44 screws an overkill when you are using glue? Of course, 44 nails are a lot as well.

Thoughts?

bassman1977 · February 18, 2010, 10:02:43 AM

In my boxes, if there's a pre-drilled hole, I stick a nail in it. I like knowing that it would take a tank to break my boxes and not wonder if it will come apart on me when I have 20,000 bees inside. It's most likely overkill, but it gives me the warm n' fuzzy. :-D