Hive Box Size

Eric Bosworth · August 20, 2015, 08:48:05 PM

Vague legal language is always an issue for the government to use when there is a need to justify a government employee. Look at how the EPA has interpreted the waters of the US to include just about any land that gets wet once in a while.

Colobee · August 21, 2015, 08:38:17 AM

As it is up to the inspector, it may stand to reason that as long as the colony can be adequately inspected, it doesn't matter how the frame/comb/bar is configured so long as it is removable.

If we ever end up with inspectors lacking any common sense, we may all be in trouble.

chux · August 21, 2015, 10:25:30 AM

Quote from: Colobee on August 21, 2015, 08:38:17 AM
As it is up to the inspector, it may stand to reason that as long as the colony can be adequately inspected, it doesn't matter how the frame/comb/bar is configured so long as it is removable.

If we ever end up with inspectors lacking any common sense, we may all be in trouble.

To me, that is a major issue. We are happy as long as the current person we have given authority, agrees with us and has some sense. But there is no guarantee that this will always be the case. If the state has final say when you agree with them, what happens when "the other team" of idiots gets in office. All of a sudden they are telling you that you must change to fit what they believe. One inspector says a top-bar is also a frame. The next inspector doesn't like Top-Bars and tells you that a top-bar is not a frame. He/she doesn't like the extra care needed to manipulate the comb.

Eric Bosworth · August 21, 2015, 03:37:43 PM

Quote from: Colobee on August 21, 2015, 08:38:17 AM
As it is up to the inspector, it may stand to reason that as long as the colony can be adequately inspected, it doesn't matter how the frame/comb/bar is configured so long as it is removable.

If we ever end up with inspectors lacking any common sense, we may all be in trouble.

It has been my experience in recent years that common sense is becoming less common. I landed as my flight instructor was sent 20 miles out of the way to avoid a plane he was behind that was going 20 to 30 knots faster than him. All because the controller didn't have the common sense to realize that the citabria going 90 was not going to catch a skyhawk going 120. This same controller told me to maintain visual separation with a jet when I was in a skyhawk. I couldn't have caught that jet if I tried.

flyboy · August 22, 2015, 01:23:27 PM

Quote from: Eric Bosworth on August 21, 2015, 03:37:43 PM
Quote from: Colobee on August 21, 2015, 08:38:17 AM
As it is up to the inspector, it may stand to reason that as long as the colony can be adequately inspected, it doesn't matter how the frame/comb/bar is configured so long as it is removable.

If we ever end up with inspectors lacking any common sense, we may all be in trouble.

It has been my experience in recent years that common sense is becoming less common. I landed as my flight instructor was sent 20 miles out of the way to avoid a plane he was behind that was going 20 to 30 knots faster than him. All because the controller didn't have the common sense to realize that the citabria going 90 was not going to catch a skyhawk going 120. This same controller told me to maintain visual separation with a jet when I was in a skyhawk. I couldn't have caught that jet if I tried.

Eric,
Not sure how useful it is to criticize ATC. They have rules based on a great many years of trying to keep PPL safe. There are rules that we can never understand. In the old days we used to go visit the control tower and spend a bit of time getting to know the controllers so we were on the same page.

I know this stuff has made the rounds many times but check out the last one on this page... http://www.4vfr.com/?goto=atc_overheard&section=atc

Michael Bush · August 23, 2015, 03:17:43 PM

I think this is the definition in the law itself:

"..so that any such frame can be removed from the hive and inspected for any regulated diseases and pests."

If it can be removed from the hive and inspected for any regulated diseases and pests it meets their definition of "frame" in this ordinance. If not, then it does not meet the requirement.

Jim134 · August 23, 2015, 11:22:35 PM

Removable comb vs removable frames sounds like a bunch of semantics to me .

I do know in the state where I live they talk about removal comb. New Hampshire

BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)

Eric Bosworth · August 24, 2015, 10:55:56 AM

Quote from: flyboy on August 22, 2015, 01:23:27 PM

Eric,
Not sure how useful it is to criticize ATC. They have rules based on a great many years of trying to keep PPL safe. There are rules that we can never understand. In the old days we used to go visit the control tower and spend a bit of time getting to know the controllers so we were on the same page.

I know this stuff has made the rounds many times but check out the last one on this page... http://www.4vfr.com/?goto=atc_overheard&section=atc

Here is the thing... It hadn't occurred to me that it was a lack of common sense until I was taking pictures for my flight instructor. The guy flying the plane at the time was another controller. When she came on we started talking about her and I asked why when I called in were the first words out of her mouth always "Remain clear of the class delta airspace." How can I land if I have to remain clear of the airspace? It wasn't until Louie said "She has no common sense... She doesn't realize that a skyhawk will never catch a jet so she does everything exactly buy the book... In my 25 years of being a controller I don't think I have ever told anybody to remain clear of the airspace..." A few weeks after this Joe was in the other plane with a student and we were up taking pictures and she was controlling again. Joe was done with his lesson and was going to follow us in to land. When he called in to say he was on his way home she said there was another plane for him to follow. So he responded with "If that's the little green plane there is no way I can catch him." So she asked if he had us in sight. So Louie said "Say yes" and she thought that was Joe saying yes. The response was "Maintain visual separation cleared to land." We had quite the chuckle about it when we were all on the ground.

My point is that rather than let Darwinism take its course, we have made so many regulations for things that should be common sense and the net result is that we have a dumber society because of it. We should learn from our mistakes, and learn from the mistakes of others because we won't have time to make them all ourselves. Unfortunately now we have the approach of regulate because of the mistakes of others so we can't possibly make them ourselves and learn from them. So in the case of Tennessee's apiary law, if you get some moron inspector that wants to be a prick top bars could become illegal.

Blacksheep · August 25, 2015, 10:18:46 AM

Well maybe I am wrong!Won't be the first time for that.Sorry if I mis spoke!!!