Queen or No Queen?

Started by kiwi bee, January 03, 2008, 10:15:50 PM

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kiwi bee

Hi, I'm new to this site and to beekeeping (have posted in the introduction area) and have question regarding one of my hives.

I have two hives - one nucleus given to me by a friend mid Nov  with queen (supposedly but we didn't see her) and plenty of bees and brood that we transferred to a 10 frame brood box.

The other is a very small swarm but definitely with a queen as I have seen eggs and brood on a couple of frames.

I checked the nucleus hive end Nov to find 2 capped queen cells.  Left them to it as thought they knew more than me. Checked every 2 weeks since.  Saw queen cell  cap out at hive entrance so presumed she had hatched.  Now, beg January have yet to see any eggs or brood (weather has been a bit iffy).  Last Friday I pinched a frame of brood (with lavae and capped cells) from the swarm and popped it in the nucleus just to see what they would do.  Three days later 2 queen cells half built.  Checked today a 5 days later to find no queen cells whatsoever.

The hive has masses of bees but  is making a "humming" sound that I haven't heard before.  Is this the "no queen" hum?  Is there a queen in there who isn't laying yet given the fact that they have made queen cells and then removed them?   Was the brood I gave them from the swarm too old?  I can't really take any more brood from the swarm as it is still small (or does this not matter?). 

Do I leave them alone for a few more weeks then recheck and perhaps give them a frame of brood from the swarm when it is bigger or think about uniting the two hives together - ? now.   If uniting is the way to go how is this done when the hive with a queen is a lot smaller and weaker than the hive with ? no queen?

Any advice very much appreciated.

Regards, Kiwi Bee.




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kiwi bee

Thanks for the quick responses - yes, might help if I told you our position in the world -  we're in New Zealand - middle of summer, mild temps from 20-30 degrees C, plenty of nectar, pollen about.

Kiwi Bee
Canterbury
South Island
New Zealand

Kirk-o

It looks to me like your hive is queenless go to Michael Bush's link you will be glad you did
kirko
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