How do I open feed in a neighborhood lot?

Started by Charles Wright, August 23, 2020, 01:02:24 PM

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Quote from: Charles Wright on August 23, 2020, 01:02:24 PM
I've been told to open feed at least 300 feet from my hives. I'm in a 1/2 acre lot. I'll probably build up to about 8 hives. Am I just going to have to live with hive top feeders or can I open feed at about 75 feet?
Thanks.
If I may offer some guiding beekeeper principled comments on this.
- never ever, ever, open feed with neighbours. It is just bad etiquette. It is also illegal in many regions.
- you are talking starting with two nucs and maybe build up to 8.  Far far far too few hives to even consider open feeding.  The benefit of open feed comes with higher numbers, to save capital.  Do not consider open feeding unless you have minimum 25+ hives in a spot, AND there are no neighbours nor other hives around.
- invest in hive top feeders or feeder pails.  The HT feeder is superior.  The pail gets the job done.  If you use pails, place an empty box and lid over it to cover it to minimize temperature swings that can over feed (force drip) due to day-night expansion-contraction temperatures.

For your case, please buy HTs and put considerations of open feeding far behind you.

This is not discounting or discouraging the excellent info and advice above about distances etc.   It is just not applicable in your case, because you are not going to do it, alright.
When the lid goes back on, the bees will spend the next 3 days undoing most of what the beekeeper just did to them.

.30WCF

Another thought is the need for open feed. You can overcrowd a hive with syrup in no time flat, cause a swarm, and lose bees. If you feed hive top, you can feed the bees that need it.

If a commercial guy with 800 hives needs to open feed cause most of the hives need feed, and some of them get honey bound, so what. If a guy with four hives open feeds and two or three get honey bound and abscond, that sucks.


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JojoBeeBoy

I don't disagree with anyone here. That said, I open feed quite a bit. I just turned off a drip I've had going most of the day. I don't have neighbors to worry about. However, I have noticed one thing and it was confirmed (and better stated) by the bee inspector (in my case Lankford at WoolieBs. Don't set it up line-of-site. I had a feeder within 50-60' of several hives and the only one that ever got the brunt end was the one whose entrance could be seen from the feeder.

This may seem logical and I guess it was stupid on my part, but it worked fine up to 4 hives for several years and never had any robbing (at least noticeable). Once I got past 10 colonies there were too many wild cards and hungry mouths. I had long since moved it but Lankford said, "Make them go over something, or around something." In my case the feeder is still maybe 120' from the yard, but they are going over a chicken lot and a field of tall goldenrod.

Never heard the figure 8 and trolling around the area looking for another source. This is fascinating. Thanks!

Ben Framed

>  "Make them go over something, or around something."


That falls in line with what iddee said back in August. 👍🏻

Quote from: iddee on August 23, 2020, 03:04:42 PM
I think you could safely open feed on the opposite side of your house from the hives.

JojoBeeBoy

Quote from: Ben Framed on September 26, 2020, 10:05:55 PM
>  "Make them go over something, or around something."


That falls in line with what iddee said back in August. 👍🏻

Quote from: iddee on August 23, 2020, 03:04:42 PM
I think you could safely open feed on the opposite side of your house from the hives.

Yep, I remember his comment and thinking that was even a better scenario. A lot of navigation would go into that. Thanks to both of you.

Ben Framed

Quote from: Charles Wright on August 26, 2020, 09:45:21 AM
Good video Capn. Thanks. This thread is indicative of why I value my membership here more than my hands on experience with a mentor. I could never learn this much from one person. Thanks everyone.

Agreed