Supercedure cells

[Michael Bush]

It's a nice theory, except I've had crippled queens that stayed around for years...

[annette]

"Annette, what is the heritage of the queen that was replaced?  Are you sure it was a supercedure,  or may it have been an emergency replacement?"

I forgot to answer this question. No, I do not know if she was a supercedure or emergency replacement.

How would I find out??

Annette

[rdy-b]

yes MB I know remember the one about the queen that had no wings (or something like that )    :) we can put that one in the believe it or not category :lol: RDY-B

[Michael Bush]

I'm talking about a bum back leg. 

The bees don't seem to care.  Of course, a queen can live fine with no wings if it's already mated...

[rdy-b]

what about the front leg she cant pull here butt out of the cell :lol: you might have brood interuption. on the bright side could help with varoa ;) RDY-B

[Michael Bush]

>what about the front leg she cant pull here butt out of the cell

Usually if she loses a front leg she starts laying drones.  It's how she measures the cells.

[TwT]

Usually if she loses a front leg she starts laying drones.  It's how she measures the cells.

see you learn something every day, I didn't know this, come on MB I know you got some kind of papper work that proves this, I would like to read it!!!

[rdy-b]

so wouldn't they superced a queen that only lays drones this thing of hobbling is not my achievement in beekeeping. I am thinking maybe it is not as effective as i was lead to believe but it sounds like it should provide fresh queens if you dont mind supper-ceded queens  :) RDY-B








   
   

[Michael Bush]

>I didn't know this, come on MB I know you got some kind of papper work that proves this, I would like to read it!!!

Queens measuring with front legs:

"The mated queen can lay an egg, which becomes a drone, or add sperm to the egg to produce a worker - if the fertilised egg is reared in a queen cell and fed copiously, a queen is produced. The queen determines the type of cell by measuring with her front legs - worker cells are smaller than drone cells."
http://www.bbka.org.uk/articles/life_cycle_apis_mellifera.php


Dr. Marion Ellis when he teaches how to mark queens always tells you to be careful not to injure her front legs or she will turn into a drone layer.

It's hard to supersede a queen who lays nothing but drones.  It takes enough lead time to realize it and then start a queen.  If that takes more than four days, it's too late to get a good queen.

[rdy-b]

I guess we can try to perfect this thing called hobbling and stipulate a four day window  :)  no matter which leg we break these points you bring up are very worthy of taking note. a guest speaker at my bee club would have been in a different light if i would have produced these points -but we will move on any way  8-)  RDY-B

[Cindi]

In my studies of the bees (and I have typed mountains of information so I can re-read certain things that are extremely important, at my fingertips), that is one of the most fascinating parts of the queen role.  Her calibration of each and every cell that she pokes her head into, inspecting to ensure it is impeccably clean, and to calibrate the size, so she knows if it be drone or worker egg she lays.  The other thing that I found fascinating (among hundreds of others) about the queen is that she has the ability, at will, to lay a drone or worker egg!!!!  If only this role would be so simple for us female human beings  :evil:  Wonder how many of each gender we would hatch  ;) :)  Have a wonderful day, best of this fantastic life we live.  Cindi

P.S.  Another part of the fascinating world of the bees is the age-related duties of the bees, mountains of information typed about this too, it helps me to learn when I read and type!!!!  Yeah!!!!!! C.