My hive swarmed again!!

[dgc1961]

I have a have that was a swarm.  I caught the swarm on April 7.  They swarmed a week ago and again yesterday.  I am wanting to go in and take out some frames and give them some empty frames.

But I am wondering if it is too late in the season.  The major honey flow is over here.  Will they have enough time to draw out the frames if I add them?  I don't want to cut out swarm cells, the last time I did that I had a hive go queenless for quite a while.

After the swarm left, I noticed the old hive was trying to rob the hive that swarmed.  I was able to stop it by putting a entrance reducer on with just a small opening.

[Kathyp]

go in a see what is left.  if they are being robbed, their numbers may be way down.  in that case you'll need to decide whether you want to combine, boost with brood from another hive, or just feed and see what happens.  be careful feeding only one week hive.  you may want to consider communal feeding if your flow is over and you have taken whatever honey you were going to take.

[Joelel]

I have a have that was a swarm.  I caught the swarm on April 7.  They swarmed a week ago and again yesterday.  I am wanting to go in and take out some frames and give them some empty frames.

But I am wondering if it is too late in the season.  The major honey flow is over here.  Will they have enough time to draw out the frames if I add them?  I don't want to cut out swarm cells, the last time I did that I had a hive go queenless for quite a while.

After the swarm left, I noticed the old hive was trying to rob the hive that swarmed.  I was able to stop it by putting a entrance reducer on with just a small opening.

If your hive only has one or two supper body,never take the honey.

[Kathyp]

If your hive only has one or two supper body,never take the honey.

if i followed that advice, i'd never take any honey!   :-D  i think it depends on where you live and how long your season is, and what size boxes you are using.

joelel, can you go into your profile and add your location?

[Joelel]

If your hive only has one or two supper body,never take the honey.

if i followed that advice, i'd never take any honey!   :-D  i think it depends on where you live and how long your season is, and what size boxes you are using.

joelel, can you go into your profile and add your location?

Kathy,To build a good strong hive, you build your hive body with two large supers and never take the honey from the body.You take honey from the supers,leave the honey in the body for the bees. If you have a strong 60-80 thousand bees ,they need all in the body to make it though the winter no matter where you live. Never take the Chance of your bees getting short on food. You can take the honey from the supers as much as you want.With a strong hive you can have a 3 or 4 super hive and take the honey from the supers.

[dgc1961]

I don't take any honey from the brood chambers.  I know that that is what is needed to survive the winter.

[Kathyp]

i do not consider honey supers as part of the hive.  they are on there temporarily.  i have no problem adding honey supers to a two deep hive, and even, on occasion, to a one deep.  on the single, i may leave the honey super on over the winter for feeding.  i would consider that with a late swarm, or small/late cutout.

[Joelel]

i do not consider honey supers as part of the hive.  they are on there temporarily.  i have no problem adding honey supers to a two deep hive, and even, on occasion, to a one deep.  on the single, i may leave the honey super on over the winter for feeding.  i would consider that with a late swarm, or small/late cutout.

That's like saying your living room is not part of your house.

[Kathyp]

no.  it's more like saying the camper is not part of my truck.

[Joelel]

no.  it's more like saying the camper is not part of my truck.

Main Entry: 1hive  
Pronunciation: \ˈhīv\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English hȳf; perhaps akin to Old Norse hūfr ship's hull, Latin cūpa tub, Sanskrit kūpa cave
Date: before 12th century
1 a: a container for housing honeybees b: the usually aboveground nest of bees
2: a colony of bees
3: a place swarming with activity
— hive·less  \-ləs\ adjective

The supers are part of the bees house (HIVE)that house them.

[Kathyp]

in·ter·pre·ta·tion  
Pronunciation: \in-ˌtər-prə-ˈtā-shən, -pə-\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : the act or the result of interpreting : explanation
2 : a particular adaptation or version of a work, method, or style
3 : a teaching technique that combines factual with stimulating explanatory information <natural history interpretation program

and we all know about these

Main Entry: opin·ion  
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈpin-yən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin opinion-, opinio, from opinari
Date: 14th century
1 a: a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter b: approval, esteem
2 a: belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b: a generally held view
3 a: a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert b: the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based
— opin·ioned  \-yənd\ adjective
synonyms opinion, view, belief, conviction, persuasion, sentiment mean a judgment one holds as true. opinion implies a conclusion thought out yet open to dispute <each expert seemed to have a different opinion>. view suggests a subjective opinion <very assertive in stating his views>. belief implies often deliberate acceptance and intellectual assent <a firm belief in her party's platform>. conviction applies to a firmly and seriously held belief <the conviction that animal life is as sacred as human>. persuasion suggests a belief grounded on assurance (as by evidence) of its truth <was of the persuasion that everything changes>. sentiment suggests a settled opinion reflective of one's feelings <her feminist sentiments are well-known>.


i do not house my  honeybees in my honey supers, but you are welcome to do so if you wish.

[Natalie]

dgc, do you have any other hives aside from the two you are referring to in your post?
Like Kathy said you could take frames from other hives and build the weak one up or again like she said combine with the stronger hive.
Just wondering what you have to work with.
I wish you the best in getting it back up to speed before winter.
The same thing just happened to a friend of mine and believe it or not the hive swarmed right in front of her just as she was about to make the split.
She came over my house to get an extra hive from me so she could split them and when she got home and set up the hive they swarmed right in front of her eyes. Soooo close.

As for what makes a hive a hive, its a matter of opinion really and as Kathy said "she" does not consider the supers to be a part of the hive.
As for the definintion, it doesn't mention supers, just the hive or hive body so maybe they are not considered a part of the hive in that definition either.

Not everyone overwinters in deeps so its different for everyone and their methods of beekeeping on how many boxes they will use. The area where they live plays into it as well.
I don't think too many colonies go into winter 60,000-80,000 thousand strong either.

I know that you just got a hive and split it so you are new at this as well as alot of us, Kathy has alot of valuable experience behind her and she is willing to share her knowledge.
You can learn alot from her and some of the other veterans on here.

[Joelel]

in·ter·pre·ta·tion  
Pronunciation: \in-ˌtər-prə-ˈtā-shən, -pə-\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : the act or the result of interpreting : explanation
2 : a particular adaptation or version of a work, method, or style
3 : a teaching technique that combines factual with stimulating explanatory information <natural history interpretation program

and we all know about these

Main Entry: opin·ion  
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈpin-yən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin opinion-, opinio, from opinari
Date: 14th century
1 a: a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter b: approval, esteem
2 a: belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b: a generally held view
3 a: a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert b: the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based
— opin·ioned  \-yənd\ adjective
synonyms opinion, view, belief, conviction, persuasion, sentiment mean a judgment one holds as true. opinion implies a conclusion thought out yet open to dispute <each expert seemed to have a different opinion>. view suggests a subjective opinion <very assertive in stating his views>. belief implies often deliberate acceptance and intellectual assent <a firm belief in her party's platform>. conviction applies to a firmly and seriously held belief <the conviction that animal life is as sacred as human>. persuasion suggests a belief grounded on assurance (as by evidence) of its truth <was of the persuasion that everything changes>. sentiment suggests a settled opinion reflective of one's feelings <her feminist sentiments are well-known>.


i do not house my  honeybees in my honey supers, but you are welcome to do so if you wish.

That's a good one,I would like to see all the bees in a hive get in the body (brood boxes) if you have 60 thousands bees with two bodies and three supers..If you have supers,the bees are housed in the supers as well as in the body,therefor the supers are part of the house or hive.

[iddee]

Joelel, one quick question. Were you Sgt. Major until a short time ago.

Just a thought that crossed my mind.

[Kathyp]

Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.....AMEN

:-D    :evil:

[Natalie]

Amen sister.
Iddee  :-D

[Irwin]

 :cheer: :devilbanana: :lau:

[hankdog1]

oooh lord here we go again lol  :-D