Oxalic Acid Vaporizer

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bee-nuts

September 03, 2009, 08:51:09 AM
I have been reading up on varroa treatments.  I really like the sound of the Oxalic Acid Vaporizer.  It really sounds like a viable way to zap em dead and at a price you cant refuse.  So where do you get the Crystals once you have a vaporizer? 

This is what Im referring to

http://de.geocities.com/vaporizerklaus/new_oxamite.htm

Also, has anybody tried the Thymomite strips?  And I have to ask if these guys are reputable because they use geocities to host there website.  Seems kind of odd for a reputable company.


The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory

Thomas Jefferson

danno

#1
September 03, 2009, 09:03:38 AM
You get the crystals at the hardware store in the paint section.  Its called wood bleach.   Mine here is made by Dap.  Its about 7.00 for a small tub.   This company wont do you wrong.   They are a very small operation but provide quick service.  I have the 12volt model and although I have never tried the torch heated one I can see a obvious advantage to mine.  I have added 20 ft of lamp cord to mine so no matter which way the wind is blowing I can be up wind.   As for the strips I have not tried them. 

bee-nuts

#2
September 03, 2009, 03:23:49 PM
Thank You
The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory

Thomas Jefferson

Jim134

#3
September 03, 2009, 05:09:32 PM

You can buy this in Canada at

Heilyser Technology Ltd. 685 Dalkeith Ave. Sidney BC, V8L 5G7 , Canada


http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln/Vaporizer.htm



    BEE HAPPY Jim 134  :)
"Tell me and I'll forget,show me and I may  remember,involve me and I'll understand"
        Chinese Proverb

"The farmer is the only man in our economy who buys everything at retail, sells everything at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."
John F. Kennedy
Franklin County Beekeepers Association MA. http://www.franklinmabeekeepers.org/

bee-nuts

#4
September 03, 2009, 11:10:17 PM
These folks should really consider spending a few hundred dollars on a nice website and some server hosting.  It would more than pay for itself.  I cant help but think of the saying penny wise, pound foolish when it comes to these kinds of things.  I'm not riping on the guys but I can only imagine how many people have not ordered there product because of the lack of a professional website.

I will make the suggestion to them when I order.  If it were not for all the info I have read on vaporizing oxalic acid for treating varroa mites and that the vaporizer is a function only product, I would not buy it.

I am still skeptical about the Thymomite strips.  If they had a professional website I drought I would think twice about it.  But if this product is anything like there website how do you know it is a sound.
The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory

Thomas Jefferson

danno

#5
September 04, 2009, 08:59:42 AM
I think he would agree with you and expand if his product was legal in the states. 

bee-nuts

#6
September 05, 2009, 04:35:28 AM
Really?  Why is it not legal?  I spose it has not went through all the red tape.  Going through all the red tape would require going through allot of green paper which is not affordable unless your a pharmaceutical company.  But that would require a profit to be made which would be hard to do since the crystals can be purchased at a hardware store for the equivalent of $0.02 a treatment.  This would be similar to treating open wounds and infections with honey in hospitals or prescribing it to people.

I tylan was a similar situation with it being able to be bought at feed stores for pennys a treatment.  I heard the only reason they finally approved it is because AFB got resistant to other treatments.

Its to bad beekeepers have not been able to fund things like this.  If you could get honey used in medical practice it would at least double the US consumption, don't you think?  The FDA does not allow baby formula to be made over seas.  I'm sure honey would be a different story though.

Ugh, back to square one.
The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory

Thomas Jefferson

Jim134

#7
September 05, 2009, 07:03:45 AM
Who say it not legal  :? :?


     BEE HAPPY Jim 134  :)



"Tell me and I'll forget,show me and I may  remember,involve me and I'll understand"
        Chinese Proverb

"The farmer is the only man in our economy who buys everything at retail, sells everything at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."
John F. Kennedy
Franklin County Beekeepers Association MA. http://www.franklinmabeekeepers.org/

buzzbee

#8
September 05, 2009, 09:31:41 AM
Quote from: bee-nuts on September 05, 2009, 04:35:28 AM

Its to bad beekeepers have not been able to fund things like this.  If you could get honey used in medical practice it would at least double the US consumption, don't you think?  The FDA does not allow baby formula to be made over seas.  I'm sure honey would be a different story though.

Ugh, back to square one.

Can you imagine the feds snooping on your production facilities if it was used in medicine?

bee-nuts

#9
September 06, 2009, 05:25:10 AM
Quote from: buzzbee on September 05, 2009, 09:31:41 AM
Quote from: bee-nuts on September 05, 2009, 04:35:28 AM

Its to bad beekeepers have not been able to fund things like this.  If you could get honey used in medical practice it would at least double the US consumption, don't you think?  The FDA does not allow baby formula to be made over seas.  I'm sure honey would be a different story though.

Ugh, back to square one.

Can you imagine the feds snooping on your production facilities if it was used in medicine?

Yes I can, but I don't want to.
The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory

Thomas Jefferson

Dan163

#10
September 08, 2009, 10:19:16 PM
bee-nuts,
I can't vouch for the European site, but I've bought from Heilyser in Canada: http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln/

Didn't do it on the basis of his website, which admittedly needs work. That website cracks me up, since it is the complete opposite of Heinz, the owner.

Heinz is a member of our local club in Victoria, BC and I know him from there. He is very knowledgeable and helpful at the club. He makes incredibly perfect gear. I really like the vapourizer I got from him and I drove out to pick it up so got a tour of his beeyard and his workshop... both totally clean and organized and neat. He's like the perfect German stereotype. I hope to be reincarnated as him.

As you can tell, I like him and would be happy to buy from him any time.

I hope this message isn't against the rules about selling on the forums but I don't stand to make anything from it, so I'd guess it's OK.

- Dan 

danno

#11
September 09, 2009, 08:51:47 AM
Quote from: Jim 134 on September 05, 2009, 07:03:45 AM
Who say it not legal  :? :?


     BEE HAPPY Jim 134  :)




The man says its not legal to kill mites with it but it is legal to bleach your top bars.  I like mine nice and white

bee-nuts

#12
September 09, 2009, 08:36:54 PM
"The man says its not legal to kill mites with it but it is legal to bleach your top bars.  I like mine nice and white"

What do you use to bleach them?  Is this a way to sanitize used equipment you might buy?  It would be handy.
The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory

Thomas Jefferson

Kathyp

#13
September 09, 2009, 09:11:38 PM
OA is not an approved treatment for mites in the US.  why?  i don't know.  wood bleach is a legal product  :-)
The people the people are the rightful masters of both congresses and courts not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert it.

Abraham  Lincoln
Speech in Kansas, December 1859

fermentedhiker

#14
September 09, 2009, 09:52:11 PM
It will probably never be approved because it too cheap.  You can pick up a lifetimes supply for what you would probably pay for one seasons dose of any other treatment. 
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hardwood

#15
September 09, 2009, 09:59:11 PM
Just another plot. perpetrated by "the man" to keep the brothers down?
Scott
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bee-nuts

#16
September 09, 2009, 11:38:06 PM
Quote from: kathyp on September 09, 2009, 09:11:38 PM
OA is not an approved treatment for mites in the US.  why?  i don't know.  wood bleach is a legal product  :-)

Not approved or not legal?
The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory

Thomas Jefferson

danno

#17
September 11, 2009, 09:04:36 AM Last Edit: September 11, 2009, 01:43:09 PM by danno
Quote from: bee-nuts on September 09, 2009, 11:38:06 PM
Quote from: kathyp on September 09, 2009, 09:11:38 PM
OA is not an approved treatment for mites in the US.  why?  i don't know.  wood bleach is a legal product  :-)

Not approved or not legal?


If its not a approved registered treatment and if used then you have broken the law.   My bleech the top bar statment was  sarcastic and could be used as a loophole for using oxalic acid in the hive.  If my intended use is to bleach the top bar and not killing mites I am not breaking the law.   If some mite die in my wood bleaching operation  so be it

bee-nuts

#18
September 12, 2009, 04:20:01 AM
OK, I understand. 

Obviously, if there were a real profit to be made from this treatment, patents would be made and approval would be given.

The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory

Thomas Jefferson
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