this is from a member of a non bee forum i belong to.

[BjornBee]

I would not hold my breathe waiting for parents to "enforce" some agreed upon solution for the very kids they have no control over anyways.

"records" are exactly that. a record of one's crimes, and suggestive of character, morals and principles.

Don't want to give the poor kid a record, then get a incident report, and sue the parents for full damages in civil court. Criminal court make the perpetrator pay for a crime by punishment terms. Civil cases, (small claims court if under $5000) makes the person pay for the liability of the crime with restitution to the victim.

As a minimum, full restitution ordered by the court is the way I would be going. Unless I had a check from the parents. And I would not be looking for some "liability" issue by having this kid working on my farm to start with. Next thing you know, the kid may just be moving in the beekeeper's "former" home.... :roll:

It will be interesting to see if the parents write a $6000 check, or force their kid to do that much community service. I got twenty that the beekeeper gets nothing, the kid gets off, and the parents remain a missing link.

Let judge Judy do it.... :-D

[bee-nuts]

Mommy and daddy bailing out thier kids teaches them the wrong thing.  Personal liability and responsibility is they way to go.  Not only that but this could be a real good character building opportunity for this youngster.  It may just be the first opportunity for this kid to learn something that does not involve, TV, PC's, or Vid games.

As far as the kids record goes, its clean after the age of 18, and if older they can wipe it clean if kid complies with court orders and stays out of trouble.

[Paynesgrey]

I asked my oldest child again, who is 10 what he thinks about it now, after a few days. He feels that ALL of the kids should ALL have to do the same amount of community service, because they all were responsible for choosing to participate. They all had free choice, chose wrong, and have consequences to pay.  

Or, if the beekeeper did not want them to work, they should all have to pay, because they were all in on it. If you rob a bank, all of you get charged with robbing a bank and pay the penalty, not 1/6th of the penalty, just because you were in a gang of 6. Brings it close to the biblical if you steal (destroy), you must repay 7fold.

If someone did that to him, he would want to be paid for everything, every single bee, future proceeds, the honey ruined on the ground. The time it took to build it, and will take to rebuild it. And he would expect to be expected to do that, if he had been involved.

It saddens me that it does not sound like any parents have stepped forward to use this as an opportunity to teach their child what is right, and how to try to right a wrong they have done.  

[CountryBee]

You know how it was the honey bees fault for minding their own business, working, and being in the middle of a posted field! :roll:  Never the kids fault, they were enticed to tresspass, destroy, and kill livestock(bees) because they were their! :roll:  I have a WIDE LEATHER BELT and I would WHIP their parents butts and then since I couldn't do it to their kids I would send them to JUVI! :evil:  See how they like cleaning toilets and taking shower with men for a couple of years with no game systems or girlfriends.  Sometimes you gotta learn the hard way, if mom and pop won't teach...... :evil: :-D

[Livefreeordie]

Full restitution to the beek, and records for the kids, and a warning to the parents that the next time their little darlings are in trouble, they will be serving time too.

[Kathyp]

i'd go for full restitution and working it off.  don't know about the record if the kids haven't been in trouble before.  sometimes kids are just stupid.  they don't think before they act and they don't think about what they are doing to animals/insects at all.  now....if they already have been in trouble, that's another thing.

many a kid has been saved by hard labor and learning about the things that they have damaged.

had a kid that ran his ATV through one of the newly planted fields here.  the farmer told the parents that he'd not take them to court if the kid came and replanted.  took quite a while and lots of hard work, but the job was done (with some help) and i bet the kid will never run his ATV through another field.

[Scadsobees]

I agree 100%, ....unless of course I caught them in the act.......that would be bad for them indeed, but then again, I am very strange..... :-D

What...would you keep them corralled in the area where the bees are till the cops arrive?  :evil:

I guess the response to the kids is alway predicated on how the parents act.  If parents go all defensive, then the only option is the judicial system.  Otherwise some hard work is in order.  I'd rather have had spent a lot of time working than to have a record.
My kids are too young to do anything really bad, but they've been escorted to a few houses for some apologies already (non-destructive stupidity, and trying to keep it that way).  I hate it almost as much as they do, but they know that if they try anything worse then they will be paying with apologies, time, and money.

Rick

[Storm]

What a devastatingly stupid act.  I agree with BoBn that in most states the landowner (but not necessarily the beek) is protected from prosecution by a trespasser, and as most of you have said the young punk should have to ante up here.  If it were me, I would have negotiated for community service AND an essay on the importance of beekeeping and bees.  As for a record affecting a kid's future employment, I thought juvenile records were sealed after the age of 18.  Is that no longer the case?

[AllenF]

Playing With Bees

Their parents should buy them guns or gas and matches to play with.

[manfre]

The only way I'd handle a situation like that would be to get a police report and inform the teenagers' parents of the damages. Then clearly explain that the only thing that would prevent me from pressing charges would be full repayment, or a notarized contract stating their debt with a specific repayment schedule with clearly defined penalties for failure to pay.

[AllenF]

beehive

Watching this kind of stuff kinda makes me want to wake up my 3 year old and give him a spanking for things to come.

Bee hive kicking spree

And this ain't kids, hold my beer, watch this.

[Livefreeordie]

I agree 100%, ....unless of course I caught them in the act.......that would be bad for them indeed, but then again, I am very strange..... :-D

What...would you keep them corralled in the area where the bees are till the cops arrive?  :evil:

The way I figure it, any kid capable of destroying someones property like that, doesn't deserve another chance. I have seen it too many times, unless the action is swift and severe, the kid will go on to bigger and more destructive episodes. I am not a three strike kind of guy. You destroy my property and I catch you, you are old enough for a severe a** whoopin. If a parent hasn't taught their little juvenile delinquents better than that by that age, they are no better. Sorry, I think sparing them the record is enabling future acts.
I do like the idea of letting the bees sting the crap out of them though.

[Storm]

Makes me want to vomit.

I have a "Guard Bees on Duty" sign on my property that I put there to keep out a couple of kids next door who had stolen my kid's bike.  They're moving out this week, but if they or anyone like them ever did this to *my* hives, I'd whup their butts, if my girls didn't get to them first.

Storm

[bee-nuts]

This is where you wish you had some AHB for the kids to play with!