Trap out in a chimney

enchplant · April 10, 2011, 06:46:39 AM

Here is a link to a youtube video of a trap out I have been doing for a couple of weeks. Every few days I go in to this nuc box and remove several frames of bees and bring them back to my bee yard. I then put used frames back in the nuc box and this way have gotten maybe 10 frames of bees out of this chimney. Any ideas how to get that queen ( with her good feral survivor genes) to come out so I can breed from her?

HOW TO GET BEES OUT OF A WALL!!!!

Jim134 · April 10, 2011, 07:01:06 AM

What stops the bees from going back in to the wall/ chimney :?

BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)

Zamboy13 · April 10, 2011, 10:09:49 AM

Very nice video. I think I just saw a forager bee bringing in cream colored pollen at 1:30 to 1:32 time

Zamboy13 · April 10, 2011, 10:10:27 AM

very nice video. I think I saw a forager bee bring in cream colored pollen at 1:30-32 seconds of the video.
The tube thing that went straight inside the nuc was clever.

enchplant · April 10, 2011, 10:24:52 AM

Quote from: Jim 134 on April 10, 2011, 07:01:06 AM
What stops the bees from going back in to the wall/ chimney :?

BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)

Well I think field bees come back to the nuc box entrance and then place their stores in the frames. If they wanted to go back into the chimney they would have to walk into the mesh tube and that would give them all the wrong signals. 1.) it is brighter outside, not darker as they would expect when going into the chimney and 2.) All the smells of the colony dissipate outside at the tube because it is open and exposed to the wind etc. so basically the chemical trail back into the chimney has been weakened so they decide to stay put. It is dark, it has honeycomb and it is full of their sister bees. It must be home! :) Thanks Jim!

G3farms · April 10, 2011, 11:35:58 AM

Put a frame of eggs into you bait box and they will build a queen cell from it. With the drone that are coming out of the chimney you will at least have 1/2 (maybe) of the genetics.

As far as the queen coming out and capturing her, you will just have to wait and see.

Great video, thanks, and keep us posted on if you get the queen to come out and if she stays in the nuc.

enchplant · April 10, 2011, 12:31:25 PM

Quote from: G3farms on April 10, 2011, 11:35:58 AM
Put a frame of eggs into you bait box and they will build a queen cell from it. With the drone that are coming out of the chimney you will at least have 1/2 (maybe) of the genetics.

That sounds like a plan. :-D. Thanks a lot. I think I will keep taking frames of workers until that box stabilizes (So it isn't bursting at the seems) then I will try a frame of eggs.

Someone suggested that the remaining brood, queen and attendants in the wall will get mighty thirsty with no bees bringing in fluids so do you think her majesty might come out when that happens?

G3farms · April 10, 2011, 03:52:29 PM

Yep! When nectar, water and pollen are not coming into the brick hive the queen will begin to shut down on her laying, thinking the flow is over and the need for more workers is not needed. Eventually the brick hive will start to run low on house and nurse bees and when the last of the brood hatches out the queen and what bees are left will abscond. They might stop off in your bait box or move on.

Keep us posted, I for one am very curious as to what happens.

jaseemtp · April 10, 2011, 05:41:30 PM

Thanks for a great video, I was just approached to get bees out of someones house. You have given me an excellent solution. Thank you and please let us know how it works out. I would think that the queen would leave the hive, but it would be anyones guess if she stayed in your nuc or not.
Jason

iddee · April 10, 2011, 06:16:08 PM

For a little more info on trapping bees.

http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,20301.0.html

Jim134 · April 10, 2011, 08:21:27 PM

Why not use a bee escape between the wall and the box :?

BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)

iddee · April 10, 2011, 09:48:59 PM

Can drone and queen get out a bee escape?

Jim134 · April 10, 2011, 10:42:54 PM

Quote from: iddee on April 10, 2011, 09:48:59 PM
Can drone and queen get out a bee escape?

I know drone can get out of this bee escape :? Queen :?

BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)

Brian D. Bray · April 10, 2011, 11:44:15 PM

You have the right idea but it needs a few tweeks. You went from a cone where the bees couldn't get back into the hive in the wall to a two way bridge through your nuc.
Reduce the end of the two way bridge to a one-way-cone again. Then as the stores and quantity of bees decreases in the hive in the wall the likelyhood that the queen will abandon the wall in favor of the nuc is greatly increased. When you get to the point that no bees are coming from the wall, and you still don't have a queen then see decided to stay and die rather than abscond.

A Trap out is essentially an artifical forage dearth for the original hive by implemenation of the one-way-cone. Usually once stores and population get to a low point the queen will quit laying and the hive will abscond, but into the trap out box.

Jim134 · April 11, 2011, 06:22:32 AM

If you use an 8 frame or a 10 frame box use this bee escape as a bottom board put the tube in bottom hole of the escape between the wall and the box this as a big hole (1 1/2" or so) for the tube.

(in the pic you are looking at the outer side of the escape screen )

I have use this on top of chimney not being use and I do like your youtube video

BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)

enchplant · April 12, 2011, 02:08:07 AM

Quote from: Jim 134 on April 10, 2011, 08:21:27 PM
Why not use a bee escape between the wall and the box :?

Jim, Thanks for the great suggestions on the bee escapes and Iddee, those are indeed comprehensive tips. What a marvelous resource you all are! I will keep you all posted!