How long before I know my Queen made it?

labradorfarms · April 16, 2014, 07:48:16 PM

I got my 2 packages in on Monday. Added more sugar Syurp today... I saw the queens alive when I installed the cages... One queen cage had 3 dead attendants dead with queen alive... That hive does not seem as active as the one with all attendants alive...
How long before I will know for sure that queen is still alive?? I plan on inspecting my hives on Sunday... If I don't see any brood should I worry???? Or should I order a new queen asap?

Michael Bush · April 16, 2014, 08:06:04 PM

I've seen package queens lay right away and I've seen them take two weeks to start laying...

iddee · April 16, 2014, 10:23:49 PM

I would look for eggs, not brood. If not found, and the bees are docile, I would give them another week. If they are very aggressive and the other hive is calm, I would call the supplier and tell him the situation. I would expect him to supply a replacement queen.

labradorfarms · April 16, 2014, 10:54:51 PM

Quote from: iddee on April 16, 2014, 10:23:49 PM
I would look for eggs, not brood. If not found, and the bees are docile, I would give them another week. If they are very aggressive and the other hive is calm, I would call the supplier and tell him the situation. I would expect him to supply a replacement queen.

I am new , but the term Brood refers to eggs or larva....
In entomology, the term brood is used to refer to the embryo or egg, the larva and the pupa stages in the life of holometabolous insects.

labradorfarms · April 16, 2014, 10:57:34 PM

Quote from: Michael Bush on April 16, 2014, 08:06:04 PM
I've seen package queens lay right away and I've seen them take two weeks to start laying...

Thank you Mr Bush...
So would you suggest if I saw no brood or eggs in 2 weeks my queen is dead and to order a new one ASAP???
How long will the Bee's live without a queen?

iddee · April 16, 2014, 11:16:31 PM

Well, excuse me. To this old redneck, brood means living offspring. Just not as educated as a college educated entomologist.

labradorfarms · April 16, 2014, 11:27:53 PM

I didn't mean to offend you. Like I said I am new at this. And to me brood means eggs..

iddee · April 16, 2014, 11:36:20 PM

Seems like Webster is as dumb as I am. They think it's after hatching, too.

""brood
noun \ˈbrüd\

: a group of young birds (such as chickens) that were all born at the same time

: the children in someone's family

: the young of an animal or a family of young; especially : the young (as of a bird or insect) hatched or cared for at one""

Michael Bush · April 17, 2014, 07:26:17 AM

>So would you suggest if I saw no brood or eggs in 2 weeks my queen is dead and to order a new one ASAP???

I'd look for the queen. By the time they have some comb she should be on the comb and that narrows the field for finding her. If she is indeed missing you will need either a queen or some eggs and open brood from another hive. If I had another hive, I'd give this one a frame of eggs and open brood and see if they start queen cells. That is the acid test that they are queenless. They will start queen cells if they are queenless. But if you don't have that, then I'd search for the queen. You really do need to know.

>How long will the Bee's live without a queen?

Some of them will live six weeks. Some will only live one week. They will all be dead in about six weeks though. The bigger issue is they may all drift off to some other hive if they have no queen and no brood to care for.

sc-bee · April 17, 2014, 09:01:18 AM

Quote from: labradorfarms on April 16, 2014, 10:54:51 PM
Quote from: iddee on April 16, 2014, 10:23:49 PM
I would look for eggs, not brood. If not found, and the bees are docile, I would give them another week. If they are very aggressive and the other hive is calm, I would call the supplier and tell him the situation. I would expect him to supply a replacement queen.

I am new , but the term Brood refers to eggs or larva....
In entomology, the term brood is used to refer to the embryo or egg, the larva and the pupa stages in the life of holometabolous insects.

Nice start...... booooyah.......bam.... :fishhit: :buttkick: :drowning: :jawdrop: :piano: :yippiechick: :devilbanana:

Just kidding Lab...... Hang in there. I think you will find as you hang around brood to most means already hatched eggs. Then you will have open brood or closed brood. If speaking of eggs they will say "make sure you have eggs" and use the word eggs and not the word brood in palce of the word eggs. Now that - that is as clear as mud :) Please dont correct my English I know it is bad along with my spelling and typing ;)

Jim134 · April 23, 2014, 12:54:14 PM

Quote from: iddee on April 16, 2014, 11:16:31 PM
Well, excuse me. To this old redneck, brood means living offspring. Just not as educated as a college educated entomologist.

iddee ...

Are you coal mining ?

The United Mine Workers of America (UMW) and rival miners' unions appropriated both the term redneck and its literal manifestation, the red bandana, in order to build multiracial unions of white, black, and immigrant miners in the strike-ridden coalfields of northern and central Appalachia between 1912 and 1936. The origin of redneck to mean "a union man" or "a striker" remains uncertain, but according to linguist David W. Maurer, the former definition of the word probably dates at least to the 1910s, if not earlier. The use of redneck to designate "a union member" was especially popular during the 1920s and 1930s in the coal-producing regions of southern West Virginia, eastern Kentucky, and western Pennsylvania, where the word came to be specifically applied to a miner who belonged to a union.

BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)

iddee · April 23, 2014, 08:56:16 PM

I'm not the researcher you are, Jim. I only know the local definition.

Laborer = redneck

supervisor and office personal = blue collar

Management and owners = white collar

A rednack didn't have to be a miner, just a person who worked at the lower, menial jobs.

sc-bee · April 23, 2014, 09:46:02 PM

North of Greenville South Carolina -----YANKEE! He understands that Jim :devilbanana:

iddee · April 23, 2014, 10:01:28 PM

Negatory, sc. That's the mason dixon. NC/SC line is where the one population go north to ... and the others go south to ....
I think you know the fill ins. :fishhit: :devilbanana: :lau:

GSF · April 23, 2014, 10:13:06 PM

My understanding of the origin of the word "redneck" is from the farmers who worked the fields. They stayed semi bent over looking down at the rows exposing the back of their necks to the sun. Since they got sun burnt every day their necks were always red in the summer. Hence the name "red neck".

Now todays definition is somewhat different.

GSF - G.S. Farmer ;)

Jim134 · April 26, 2014, 09:01:53 AM

Quote from: iddee on April 23, 2014, 08:56:16 PM
I'm not the researcher you are, Jim. I only know the local definition.

Laborer = redneck

supervisor and office personal = blue collar

Management and owners = white collar

A rednack didn't have to be a miner, just a person who worked at the lower, menial jobs.

IMHO
iddee .......
Did you not your own business before you retire ???

It looks like you have access to the World Wide Web you have one of the biggest libraries in the world which you have right in front. If you are smart enough to have your web page in my humble opinion you know how to run a computer.

You may remember this

In Northern England in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, Roman Catholics were also known as rednecks.

BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)

Jim134 · April 26, 2014, 09:31:41 AM

labradorfarms..
Glad you make it to Beemaster and I hope you have a good time keeping honeybees.

I would be listening too Michael Bush.

BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)

iddee · April 26, 2014, 10:43:07 AM

You're right, Jim. I just don't care enough to expend the effort. Some things are just more important to one person than it is to another. Like taking little jabs at fellow members every now and then. I'll leave that stuff to you. I'm not interested.

labradorfarms · April 26, 2014, 11:01:53 PM

Ok my queens are both alive, BUT>>>>>>
One hive is constantly taking SS>>>> The weak hive is taking zero!
I checked them close today. The strong hive was working on building comb on about 4 frames. Larva,capped brood and eggs and a small section of capped honey were seen...

The weaker hive was working on drawing out about 3 frames. They had the same as the other execpt capped honey , but not nearly as much.
Both hives were bringing in pollen.....

I suspected robbing from the stronger hive. So I put a piece of tree bark in front of the entrance...

What is going on with my weaker hive??? Is it just slow starting? Or does everthing sound fine??

I forgot the strong hive has a Brushy Mountain feeder with floats .. Which seems better so I ordered one for my weak hive..
The weaker one has one of the black KB ones.....

Jim134 · April 27, 2014, 12:10:53 PM

Quote from: labradorfarms on April 16, 2014, 11:27:53 PM
I didn't mean to offend you. Like I said I am new at this. And to me brood means eggs..

Brood (honey bee)

In entomology, the term brood is used to refer to the embryo or egg, the larva and the pupa stages in the life of holometabolous insects. The brood of honey bees develops within a bee hive. In man-made, removable frame hives, such as Langstroth hives, each frame which is mainly brood is called a brood frame. Brood frames usually have some pollen and nectar or honey in the upper corners of the frame. The rest of the brood frames cells may be empty or occupied by brood in various developmental stages. During the brood raising season, the bees may reuse the cells from which brood has emerged for additional brood or convert it to honey or pollen storage. Bees show remarkable flexibility in adapting cells to a use best suited for the hive's survival.

BEE HQAPPY Jim 134 :)