Ideas on shb?

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GSF

#20
July 13, 2014, 08:36:40 AM
Ed,

Not many around here this year either. 2nd year beek and 2nd year oil traps.
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Intheswamp

#21
July 13, 2014, 09:48:20 AM
Quote from: sawdstmakr on July 13, 2014, 07:37:22 AM
I have no doubt that they reproduce in the rotting fruit.
One problem I see is that they cannot survive in most temperate climates with out hives to keep them warm in the winter. If the ground freezes, they do not survive. That is why we here in the south have the worst problem with them. I do not know of any other place other than the hive that they can survive freezing weather.
Jim
The only thing I can attribute our low beetle numbers to is the cold and icey conditions we had this past winter.  BUT...even with the layer of ice we had in the winter storm I'm sure the ground only froze an inch or so below that sheet of ice (if it froze at all).  :?  Maybe they weren't overwintering in the ground as deep as I was thinking they would.  What would overwinter in the ground?....adult or pupa or...???

Ed
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Jim134

#22
July 13, 2014, 05:44:52 PM Last Edit: July 13, 2014, 05:57:30 PM by Jim 134
Winter time in Alabama you're going to make me laugh. :lau: :lau: :lau:
Seriously adult SHB can and do survive in hives in northern Vermont where
the  frost go in the ground about the first 6 feet or so not bad where
I live in southwestern New Hampshire frost on it goes about 4 feet.

Thank you for putting a :) on my face  ;) 


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sc-bee

#23
July 13, 2014, 07:12:54 PM
Quote from: sawdstmakr on July 13, 2014, 07:37:22 AM
I have no doubt that they reproduce in the rotting fruit.
One problem I see is that they cannot survive in most temperate climates with out hives to keep them warm in the winter. If the ground freezes, they do not survive. That is why we here in the south have the worst problem with them. I do not know of any other place other than the hive that they can survive freezing weather.
Jim

Hopefully we will figure how to freeze them out.... but it won't happen  :(
John 3:16

Intheswamp

#24
July 13, 2014, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: Jim 134 on July 13, 2014, 05:44:52 PM
Winter time in Alabama you're going to make me laugh. :lau: :lau: :lau:
Seriously adult SHB can and do survive in hives in northern Vermont where
the  frost go in the ground about the first 6 feet or so not bad where
I live in southwestern New Hampshire frost on it goes about 4 feet.

Thank you for putting a :) on my face  ;)  


             BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)
I like to make people smile. ;)  Hey, it was COLD to us and I bet the Dixie beetles thought so, too!!!!!<grin>

Ed
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American blood spilled to protect the freedom and peace of people all over the world.  320,000 USA casualties in WWI, 1,076,000 USA casualties in WWII, 128,000 USA casualties in the Korean War, 211,000 casualties in the Vietnam "conflict", 57,000 USA casualties in "War on Terror".  Benghazi, Libya, 13 USA casualties. These figures don't include 70,000 MIA.  But, the leaders of one political party of the United States of America continue to make the statement..."What difference does it make?".

"We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism."..."The press is our chief ideological weapon." - Nikita Khrushchev

"Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they wont come to yours." - Yogi Berra

BeeMaster2

#25
July 13, 2014, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: Intheswamp on July 13, 2014, 09:48:20 AM
Quote from: sawdstmakr on July 13, 2014, 07:37:22 AM
I have no doubt that they reproduce in the rotting fruit.
One problem I see is that they cannot survive in most temperate climates with out hives to keep them warm in the winter. If the ground freezes, they do not survive. That is why we here in the south have the worst problem with them. I do not know of any other place other than the hive that they can survive freezing weather.
Jim
The only thing I can attribute our low beetle numbers to is the cold and icey conditions we had this past winter.  BUT...even with the layer of ice we had in the winter storm I'm sure the ground only froze an inch or so below that sheet of ice (if it froze at all).  :?  Maybe they weren't overwintering in the ground as deep as I was thinking they would.  What would overwinter in the ground?....adult or pupa or...???

Ed

Ed,
The SHB larvae go into the ground to pupate not the adults. From what I have read, they like wet moist soil not dry sandy soil. If we are lucky, they do not go very deep so that they freeze in the winter.
Jim
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Intheswamp

#26
July 13, 2014, 11:48:39 PM
But Jim, would they pupate during the winter in the ground or would the adults simply stay clustered with the bees?  You know, being as we live in a fairly mild climate (compared to folks like Jim134 ;) ) we may get the benefit of the beetles raising young year round and when the freezes hit maybe catch them off guard and freeze their little beetle butts off!!!!  Maybe hitting a brood cycle for them....we can hope!!!!  :evil:

Ed
www.beeweather.com 
American blood spilled to protect the freedom and peace of people all over the world.  320,000 USA casualties in WWI, 1,076,000 USA casualties in WWII, 128,000 USA casualties in the Korean War, 211,000 casualties in the Vietnam "conflict", 57,000 USA casualties in "War on Terror".  Benghazi, Libya, 13 USA casualties. These figures don't include 70,000 MIA.  But, the leaders of one political party of the United States of America continue to make the statement..."What difference does it make?".

"We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism."..."The press is our chief ideological weapon." - Nikita Khrushchev

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RHBee

#27
July 14, 2014, 08:33:45 AM
Quote from: tireman on July 06, 2014, 10:21:48 PM
I currently have six hives. They range from deep singles to double deeps with double mediums on top. Two hives have  much more shb's than the others. My good hives i only see one or two. the bad effected hives, i kill at least ten per hive. Besides size, all the boxes are strong and full of bees. Why are some hives affected and the others aren't? Btw, they are in the same place and all are partially shaded.thanks

As has been stated, 10 SHB in a strong hive is no reason for alarm. It's good that you are concerned however. SHB are always looking for an opportunity to overcome a colony. Colony strength and full sun are your best defences. I use bottom oil traps under my hives. They make me feel like I'm actually helping to combat this pest. When I first installed them I was shocked by the shear number of beetles they killed. Other members are able to keep bees without bottom trays just fine. They are time consuming to build and a hassle to maintain. I may migrate away from them as my colony numbers increase but I'll always keep them as an effective tool.
Ray
Later,
Ray

BeeMaster2

#28
July 14, 2014, 12:53:40 PM
Quote from: Intheswamp on July 13, 2014, 11:48:39 PM
But Jim, would they pupate during the winter in the ground or would the adults simply stay clustered with the bees?  You know, being as we live in a fairly mild climate (compared to folks like Jim134 ;) ) we may get the benefit of the beetles raising young year round and when the freezes hit maybe catch them off guard and freeze their little beetle butts off!!!!  Maybe hitting a brood cycle for them....we can hope!!!!  :evil:

Ed

Ed the adults definitely stay in the hives during the winter, at least in my hives.  :'(
Jim
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Intheswamp

#29
July 14, 2014, 01:55:54 PM
Hmm, maybe three or four Beetle Jail Jrs baited with some cider vinegar and a little banana peeling mashed up and added it to it and these placed in the outer regions of the anticipated cluster area in late fall?  Maybe lure the beetles into a good smelling and safe ;) hiding place?

Ed

www.beeweather.com 
American blood spilled to protect the freedom and peace of people all over the world.  320,000 USA casualties in WWI, 1,076,000 USA casualties in WWII, 128,000 USA casualties in the Korean War, 211,000 casualties in the Vietnam "conflict", 57,000 USA casualties in "War on Terror".  Benghazi, Libya, 13 USA casualties. These figures don't include 70,000 MIA.  But, the leaders of one political party of the United States of America continue to make the statement..."What difference does it make?".

"We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism."..."The press is our chief ideological weapon." - Nikita Khrushchev

"Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they wont come to yours." - Yogi Berra
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