Another warning

Dallasbeek · March 07, 2015, 07:08:40 PM

A guy in my wife's yoga class found out we have bees and confided he had found a bee hive in a wooded area near his housing development while out walking and, being curious, removed the top to see if there were bees in the hive. There were, but since it's winter, they didn't react and he replaced the top. My wife warned him that he could have killed the bees and that he should leave them alone.

My take on this is that if we place hives in remote areas, we probably should post a warning that disturbing the bees could be dangerous not only to the "curious" passerby, but to the bees themselves.

jayj200 · March 08, 2015, 12:00:36 PM

Is tampering with livestock illegal

biggraham610 · March 08, 2015, 12:49:05 PM

Too bad they weren't in a dearth in flying weather. Probably would have learned a lesson that way. G

Dallasbeek · March 08, 2015, 01:33:30 PM

Quote from: biggraham610 on March 08, 2015, 12:49:05 PM
Too bad they weren't in a dearth in flying weather. Probably would have learned a lesson that way. G

LOL

Yeah, and tampering with livestock may be illegal, but you can't criminalize stupid. The guy talking to my wife was an idiot, but the world is full of them. Just saying we might want to post warnings -- maybe in several languages. What about a pictorial, like somebody being chased by a lot of bees?

biggraham610 · March 08, 2015, 01:46:45 PM

Quote from: Dallasbeek on March 08, 2015, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: biggraham610 on March 08, 2015, 12:49:05 PM
Too bad they weren't in a dearth in flying weather. Probably would have learned a lesson that way. G

LOL

Yeah, and tampering with livestock may be illegal, but you can't criminalize stupid. The guy talking to my wife was an idiot, but the world is full of them. Just saying we might want to post warnings -- maybe in several languages. What about a pictorial, like somebody being chased by a lot of bees?

Yeah, you cant fix stupid. I like the picture of the guy aimlessly swatting at 1000 angry bee sign. I vote for that one. Glock has a sweet sign that says something along the lines of "Africanized Honeybee Reaserch Center... Beware" G

Dallasbeek · March 08, 2015, 03:10:00 PM

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Yeah, you cant fix stupid. I like the picture of the guy aimlessly swatting at 1000 angry bee sign. I vote for that one. Glock has a sweet sign that says something along the lines of "Africanized Honeybee Reaserch Center... Beware" G
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Yeah, I like that one, too

DavidD · March 08, 2015, 03:48:10 PM

Quote from: biggraham610 on March 08, 2015, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: Dallasbeek on March 08, 2015, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: biggraham610 on March 08, 2015, 12:49:05 PM
Too bad they weren't in a dearth in flying weather. Probably would have learned a lesson that way. G

LOL

Yeah, and tampering with livestock may be illegal, but you can't criminalize stupid. The guy talking to my wife was an idiot, but the world is full of them. Just saying we might want to post warnings -- maybe in several languages. What about a pictorial, like somebody being chased by a lot of bees?

Yeah, you cant fix stupid. I like the picture of the guy aimlessly swatting at 1000 angry bee sign. I vote for that one. Glock has a sweet sign that says something along the lines of "Africanized Honeybee Reaserch Center... Beware" G

Thats Funny

capt44 · March 08, 2015, 06:13:00 PM

Around these parts we have problems with folks hunting shooting the hives with high powered rifles.
Had students at a university in town go around a shove them over.
Then this past fall in December I had 3 hives stolen, taken, or however you want to call it they're gone.

hilltophermit · March 09, 2015, 05:12:18 PM

sounds like a good time to put up a substantial "bear" fence.....

Michael Bush · March 09, 2015, 06:37:25 PM

>sounds like a good time to put up a substantial "bear" fence.....

And some well hidden "game" cameras aimed where the tire tracks are to get a licence and at the hives to get evidence.

jayj200 · March 13, 2015, 07:00:21 PM

stupid will fix stupid with enough stings
I think

Packrat3wires · March 20, 2015, 07:30:51 PM

I use several signs in my back field where my hives are located. I got them from Brushy Mountain bees and they state danger - bees on them.

I used a old metal reality sign cut in half to support it on T-bar posts and mounted them about 100 feet from the hives on the road in. I also put one on the trail near where my neighbors kids go exploring on our farm. I got the idea from some of the horse farms near us. All of them have disclaimer signs near their horse barns warning of the potential of injury. With everyone being "sue crazy" I figure safe than sorry.

Colobee · March 20, 2015, 09:10:51 PM

Unfortunately, there are also reports that posting a warning sign may be used as an admission that you are aware that you are in possession of an imminent/potential threat.

The "news bit" was that someone had posted a "vicious dog" sign (which the trespasser had ignored). The owner was of being charged liable for maintaining the dangerous animal. 'Not sure what the outcome was. Hopefully the judge was a sensible person. Translation - don't admit you have the guard "dog"?

Aaarghh!

We have a "bee crossing" sign in the back yard....

Richard M · March 22, 2015, 10:42:25 PM

Quote from: Colobee on March 20, 2015, 09:10:51 PM
Unfortunately, there are also reports that posting a warning sign may be used as an admission that you are aware that you are in possession of an imminent/potential threat.

Where does this finish?

A coastal municipality where I worked some years ago had a spate of drownings (3 in all) at the same surf beach - (steep with strong undertow and a big rip). They considered posting warning signs for visitors to draw their attention to the potential dangers, however they decided not to when legal advice was received that if someone drowned at a beach where we hadn't posted warning signs, then the council could be held to be liable as a view could be formed that by failing to post signs on other beaches, the Council could be seen to be providing some sort of warranty by default that all of those other beaches are safe for swimming.

Dallasbeek · March 22, 2015, 10:54:06 PM

A $1 million umbrella policy costs me about $125.00 a year. If I'm sued, I'll let my insurance company handle it. But if there's no sign and an idiot opens the hive in the middle of the winter and kills the hive, I'm out what? Close to $200 and loss of bees and honey and a lot of aggravation -- and almost certainly would never know the idiot existed. You decide what you're going to do. My hives are in my yard, but if I had an outyard, I'd put up a sign telling idiots to leave the hive alone. The alternative might be to fasten everything together with those big staples or something. Folks that live in bear country put hives inside electric fences. Maybe that's the answer for idiots, too.

Dallasbeek · March 22, 2015, 11:04:46 PM

Quote from: Richard M on March 22, 2015, 10:42:25 PM

A coastal municipality where I worked some years ago had a spate of drownings (3 in all) at the same surf beach - (steep with strong undertow and a big rip). They considered posting warning signs for visitors to draw their attention to the potential dangers, however they decided not to when legal advice was received that if someone drowned at a beach where we hadn't posted warning signs, then the council could be held to be liable as a view could be formed that by failing to post signs on other beaches, the Council could be seen to be providing some sort of warranty by default that all of those other beaches are safe for swimming.

So they were saying you had to let other people who were unaware of the undertow/rip tide venture into the dangerous water for fear that people might drown elsewhere and sue? As a lawyer, I find that advice truly dangerous. In the United States we have Freedom of Information laws. With such a law, a victim's survivors could find that the municipality knew and did nothing out of fear of lawsuits if someone drowned on another beach. I'd say your municipality got the kind of advice timid people usually seek: do nothing and maybe it will just go away.

kingd · March 23, 2015, 06:28:01 AM

We were going to put up a dog warning sign but was advised against it because it was admitting our dog had the potential to hurt someone. I want to put a sign for bees but worry about the same thing.

Another stupid thing, We live near a corner and had averaged 4 car accidents per week,asked the county about it and they did
not want to put up a 4 way stop because if there was a wreck they could be responsible for it.

4 years later they did put up a 4 way and the accidents are now about one every 6 months.

Dallasbeek · March 23, 2015, 12:22:50 PM

Quote from: kingd on March 23, 2015, 06:28:01 AM
We were going to put up a dog warning sign but was advised against it because it was admitting our dog had the potential to hurt someone. I want to put a sign for bees but worry about the same thing.

Another stupid thing, We live near a corner and had averaged 4 car accidents per week,asked the county about it and they did
not want to put up a 4 way stop because if there was a wreck they could be responsible for it.

4 years later they did put up a 4 way and the accidents are now about one every 6 months.

Doesn't every dog have the potential of hurting someone? Even a chihuahua? My interest, really, is protecting the bees, not warning people of danger. With regard to the intersection, the rules of the road determine right of way and disrespect for rules of the road, not presence or absence of signage, results in accidents.

annette · March 25, 2015, 04:07:43 PM

I'm with you on putting up a sign that bees could sting. I think signs are always the best way to go. I have a sign at my hives as a warning.

It is just common sense to me.

Hops Brewster · March 25, 2015, 09:59:15 PM

"WARNING: TRAINED GUARD BEES ON PREMISES"
I swear I'm going to put that one up some day, just for the fun of it.