Is honeyjars.net a scam?

deknow · September 13, 2015, 05:10:34 PM

I could go through all that tracking after I have a problem....or I could do the smart thing and deal with it through the credit card I used to make the purchase (I would not use PayPal with abarge order). The risk (even if it is a scam) is negligable.

But from my perspective, this is what a lot of business look like these days. It doesnt seem any stranger to claim rented warehouse address is 'your warehouse' (after all, that's where pickup and deliveries take place) than it does for rented server space to be called ' your server'....or a rented apartment to be 'your home'.

It's worth noting that empty honey jars (even by the pallet) are not big money items (hard to imagine masterminding an empty bulk honey jar scheme....very small target audience compared to almost anything else I can imagine).

...and neil, I was not trying to 'dig' at you. What you did was no different than when a forum member takes on the role of spelling police and ends up spilling instead of spelling.

NeilTheCop · September 14, 2015, 08:58:15 AM

The title of this thread is "Is honeyjars.net a scam?"
I posted my answer/opinion and the reason why. Just trying to help out

chux · September 14, 2015, 10:10:45 AM

When I tried to place an order (using some false info, just checking to see about the pricing for shipping), I was not given the option to pay by credit card. They told me my order was being processed, and to send them a check. If they are a legit business, I assume that after they cash my check, they will send me the order. If they are not legit, they will cash my check and send me nothing. I will begin looking into tracking them down and getting my money back, but will realize that the hassle and money it will cost to get my money back is not worth it. They keep my money and continue the scam. Which is more likely????

If there is anyone on this forum who wants to suggest that this is a legit business, given what we have heard, please "put your money where your mouth is." You make an order. When you get your order and are satisfied, come back and tell us all about the great deal. We will thank you, and I will likely be buying from them too.

Dallasbeek · September 14, 2015, 11:41:57 AM

Sounds like a good deal -- for them. Okay, while you're at it, send me a check, too, Chux. Maybe not a scam, but anybody sending a check with no promised quid pro quo can't complain. Any legitimate business accepts credit cards or Pay Pal. My daughter has 3 online businesses and from day one has accepted cards or Pay Pal. Checks are too much bother for merchants and customer.

Run. Do not walk. Run FAST.

Jim134 · September 14, 2015, 12:31:18 PM

IMHO...
It sounds like no 1 here has done any business with this company. And a lot of comments are just projections.

BEE HAPPY Jim 134

Hops Brewster · September 14, 2015, 12:59:18 PM

smells like a duck...

looks like a duck...
! It's wabbit season !

NeilTheCop · September 14, 2015, 01:25:27 PM

An update on my digging.
Mr. Suer registered the domain name 'Honeyjars.net' on 07-14-2015 and has an almost complete and working web site.
Mr. Suer registered the domain name 'Honeybottles.net' on 07-15-2015 and has a work in progress web site.
It will be interesting to see how this web site evolves
http://honeybottles.net/wp/

BeeMaster2 · September 14, 2015, 01:27:06 PM

MR Ducks.

BeeMaster2 · September 14, 2015, 01:32:22 PM

If you have not seen this yet, the full MR ducks goes:

MR Ducks.
MR not.
OSAR CM Wings.
L Ill Be. MR Ducks.

Jim

Dallasbeek · September 14, 2015, 02:43:52 PM

Quote from: sawdstmakr on September 14, 2015, 01:32:22 PM
If you have not seen this yet, the full MR ducks goes:

MR Ducks.
MR not.
OSAR CM Wings.
L Ill Be. MR Ducks.

Jim

OSMR2. CM Wings?

L I B. MR Ducks.

L I B. MT Ducks

A little different, but about the same.

Michael Bush · September 14, 2015, 03:50:59 PM

I have no idea if the company is legit or not but...

I remember a day not so far past when if you didn't have a secretary to answer your land line phone you didn't have a legitimate business. You also had to have a business phone listed in the white pages of the phone book and probably a yellow pages listing as well. Last time I called Microsoft I spent hours and never found a human being. Same with Autodesk. It took me more than an hour to get a human at my bank. I spent months trying to find a physical address for Hughes Net. Most small businesses now have only a cell phone and that is on the hip of the guy in charge. Things change.

Some companies are in limbo as far as doing business on the web. Sometimes you do better just calling them. honeyjars.net has the icons at the bottom for PayaPal, Amazon, Skirll, Visa Discover, and MasterCard. I'm guessing they should take any of those as payment...

On a related note, the county finally will take a card but charges back the fee so it gets added onto the total. Not so long ago they would not take a card for anything. I do business with a lot of places that can't or don't take credit cards including the only place in town that there is to eat out...

NeilTheCop · September 14, 2015, 04:46:26 PM

And just above those credit card icons are links to:
Contact us, goes to an e-mail address
Terms and Conditions, goes to a '404 Page not found'
Returns and Exchanges, '404 Page not found'
Shipping '404 Page not Found'
Customer Service. Goes nowhere as it's just text, no link

And so you know this posting is genuine

Running shoes, starting blocks and sprint away, don't run

sc-bee · September 15, 2015, 06:52:12 AM

Are the prices that much better. If I did the math right a 12 oz pet bear would be about .05 cheaper. Than a 365 piece bear order with Mann Lake. That includes the top. Mann Lake pet I think in free shipping over $100 add shipping for the other company. Also looks like quantities to buy would have to be higher with this company being discussed. Like 850 caps etc. Maybe not for you bigger guys but 850 bears would take me a while...but I have not done the time math

chux · September 15, 2015, 10:05:03 AM

Dallasbeek, the check is in the mail. If this is a legit business, I would expect someone on the forum from the local area, to speak up. Not hearing anything from anybody about doing business with them. Just conjecture. I did go as far as to start the order process, just to check shipping pricing. I tell you, smells fishy.

deknow · September 15, 2015, 10:49:31 AM

So, who would you have made the check out to? What address would you mail it to? How would you choose to have it shipped?

None of this is offered at checkout.

It is hard to imagine a scam that doesn't offer you a way to send them money.

The only way I could get scammed by them even if I was trying would be to guess at an address to send the check to, guess who to make the check out to, and plan to pick up the order in person.

Anyone that would try that hard to send money probably already doesnt have any money left to send.

sc-bee · September 15, 2015, 11:14:08 AM

Anyone send an e-mail yet. Maybe so and I missed it up top somewhere. I sent an e-mail with a copy of this thread. It will give them a chance to reply to the questions. We will see if they respond.... if not weeellllllll....

iddee · September 15, 2015, 01:09:35 PM

Yes, I sent them an email on Sept. 11 with a link to this thread. So far, they haven't responded nor signed on and replied.

NeilTheCop · September 15, 2015, 02:32:44 PM

OK, this just got really weird.
I went to the link first posted in this thread and the Returns & Delivery link now works. The weird part? any returns are to be sent to 30 South Park Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94108. There is no South Park Avenue, but there is a South Park Street and number 30 is a small doorway next to the Grasshopper hair salon. A bit of digging and 30 South Park Avenue is used as a demo address for a company called CompanyName, https://www.companyname.com who sell domain names, like this

http://demo.samuli.me/wp/smartstart/contact/
and this
http://frogcityfuel.com/contact-us.html
and this
http://bootstrapmaster.com/live/magnus/contact.html
and this
http://nedcall.com/contact/

There's lots more, and they all have the same phone number (123) 456 7890, but you get the point.

The most interesting one is this:
http://avatrudyvirtualtarot.com/product/the-rider-tarot-deck/
Go to the returns link. Look familiar?

Now remember, some gentle stretching before running avoids cramping

deknow · September 15, 2015, 04:55:38 PM

I sent them an email (I dont recall what day)....asking for pricing and availabilty (for some products listed, and some that were not listed...like glaas half pou d jars). I have not heard back. My email was sincere, not some kind of bait.

chux · September 15, 2015, 10:51:44 PM

Well deknow, it really seems like you want to stand up for the "not a scam" side. I'm all for an open mind and all, but it's getting pretty obvious at this point. When I "baited" them with my started order, I did give them an email address.They sent me an email, telling me to send a check. Gave me an address to mail it to. Sorry to say that I deleted the email after replying and telling them to cancel the "order." And no, I wasn't baiting them. I was trying to figure out how much they charged for shipping. They never told me in the order process. Any other site I have ordered from handled things very differently. Buttons to confirm orders and such. They had none of that.